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Slavemaster: Porn: Part 2

2020.11.26 15:51 Yosh1220 Slavemaster: Porn: Part 2

I am not a Christian but this verse describes what i am about to show you perfectly.
Thimoty 6: 9 Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction.
In my last post I have talked about the scientific harms of porn in relation to addiction and depression, but porn is so much more and does so much more. I like to call it the gates of hell, once you get hooked into it and dont get out you will end up in a very bad place. In my last post i talked about how it numbs your brain and you have to watch more and harder stuff to feel any pleasure. This is a path that i want to explore further with you in this post.
Now to everyone whos watched porn on here, think about how your taste in porn was at the beggining and how it changed over time, did it get extremer? weirder? more hardcore? Maybe not for you but checking out other subs you can see numerous people saying that the more they watched the more twisted their taste got. Someone commented on the last post Slavemaster porn 1 that i am mistaking cause and action, that the people struggling with it are sick to begin with and thats why they started watching it in the first place. Now that doesnt make any sense because as i told you backed up with scientific evidence that Porn fits into the addiction framework and by watching it all you will sooner or later need to progress in the intensity of the material to get any rush out of it. So the argument that porn is good because it prevents those people from actually living out those fantasies, no its the opposite, most people only start to get twisted by their excessive consumption of porn. Now here is an example of something somewhat extreme, this of course doesnt apply to it but its a case of what can happen, this link shows the search results of user 927 Aol, leaked search historys, Here you can see how it starts out already a bit unnormal but in line and how with time his taste gets weirded and more twisted and finally illegal and deviant.
https://www.businessinsider.com/aol-user-927s-entire-sordid-search-log?r=DE&IR=T
Now some of you would say you cant make such claims only by checking out nofap subs or one extreme example, show us proof. Of course you have every right to say that and i will happily show you proof. Teens who watch porn are reported to commit more sexual violent acts also knowns as TDV, Teen dating violence.
Violent pornography exposure was associated with all types of TDV, though patterns differed by gender. Boys exposed to violent pornography were 2-3 times more likely to report sexual TDV perpetration and victimization and physical TDV victimization, while girls exposed to violent pornography were over 1.5 times more likely to be perpetrate threatening TDV compared to their non-exposed counterparts.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31309432/
It also makes you more accepting towards rape myths and sexual deviancy in general, less sensitive and twists your brain into accepting sick things, like rape fantasies and violent sexual accts, as shown in the following studies.
A positive d indicates exposure to pornography had negative outcomes, while a negative d indicates positive consequences in relation to sexual deviancy, sexual perpetration, intimate relationships, and rape myth outcomes. As can be noted, no negative d's emerged in the current meta-analysis, thereby indicating the consistent negative effect of exposure to pornography in each of these four areas.
https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.525.9208&rep=rep1&type=pdf
Here it shows how even rape gets subcouncisly accepted.
The present study was conducted to learn more about the association between fraternity membership and attitudes and behaviors associated with sexual aggression against women. A male experimenter took digital pictures of all of the images of women displayed in the rooms of 30 fraternity men and 30 non-fraternity men on a residential, small, liberal arts college campus. The men also filled out a rape myth acceptance scale. A total of 91 images were found in the form of posters, “pin-ups,” advertisements, or computer screen savers. It was found that fraternity men had significantly more images of women displayed in their rooms and that the images were rated significantly more degrading than those in the rooms of non-fraternity men. Fraternity men were found to have significantly higher scores on a rape supportive attitude scale (RSA). RSA scores were positively related to the amount of degradation in the images found in men's rooms. The possible purposes and consequences of the display of degrading sexual images are discussed.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11199-005-7136-6
Now we can go a step further and see that the most common thing amongst serial killers is porn. Now almost every one of those murderes says that porn had a massive effect into lowering their guilt and hesitation in commiting the horrible acts they did. They dont have a reason to lie about this and even if, these people dont really knew each other but everyone of them said the same thing about pornography.
There is also a video of Ted Bundy talking about how porn affected him. https://youtu.be/tfwJeHtrWNI
Okay so then there is one big counter argument: Sexual crimes actually decreased. But here is the catch, the less it got the thighter security and tracking technology got. Saying that porn prevents crimes from happening is ignorant considering the evidence i provided, the only reason why these crimes decreased is because its harder to commit them without getting catched.
The term teen has been on top lists in pornography searchings and if you think about the actual meaning of this its sickeing. People get aroused by the thought of a barely legal person being sexually displayed and who knows where it goes from on there.
But this begs the question again: Why all of this? Why would anyone want this to happen? If i had the answers I would tell you but i am trying to figure out the truth aswell.
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2020.11.22 19:34 Jac0b777 An In-Depth Examination of the Importance of Free Speech, Its Parallels With Meditation and the Futility of Censorship

"Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience, above all liberties."
– John Milton, Areopagitica
Free speech, or the ability to freely speak your mind (especially in a public venue), has had a tumultuous ride throughout humanity’s history. Though there have been strong movements for the freedom of expression dating back to ancient Greece and Rome, in reality it was still very easy to get executed when speaking truth to power, or when going against the cultural or religious grain at the time (Socrates’ death sentence for “subversion of the youth” and impiety [in his case disbelief in the Gods of the state] being one well known example).
From being burned at the stake, excommunicated, imprisoned, fined or even sent to a labor camp, many of the people that comprised our societies throughout history have not been too keen on hearing what other people thought or believed. Though freedom of speech was often idealized in principle, that principle could be (and often was) very quickly swept aside when it contradicted what was commonly seen as correct, true or morally right in terms of the values, beliefs, scientific paradigms and religious perceptions of the time.
With the advent of the printing press, the ability to speak your mind freely skyrocketed, but so too did censorship, imposed primarily by the Church due to fears of heresy. In fact, the origins of most copyright law originate in the Catholic Church and a variety of governments’ attempt to control the flow of information through printing.
The ability to share and disseminate “illegal” information was now easier than before, but the penalties were still great and anonymity in sharing difficult. However, throughout the 20th century the extent and importance of free speech increased greatly – and ultimately came to a head with the advent and incredible spread of the Internet.
Now the information era had come – and with it the seeming impossibility to stop a torrent of information, views and perspectives being shared everywhere. Ideas that would have surely had you killed hundreds of years ago were now commonplace and easily accessible to all. Or so it seemed.
The Internet truly looked like one of those few rare inventions that could positively influence the world – giving free access to information for all, as well as uniting people from distant lands in the knowledge that they are not really as different as they may have previously thought. But as in many such cases, the human desire to control started rearing its ugly head.
Though the amount of misinformation can be rampant online, as well as the hate and fear that can circulate and find common-ground with others, creating echo-chambers of destructive thought, one wonders whether the true danger lies in allowing such information to spread unmitigated or whether the far greater threat comes from a reckless (and usually unsuccessful) desire to stomp it out of existence.

Censorship or Communication – Who or What Shall Be the Arbiter of Truth?

“All censorships exist to prevent anyone from challenging current conceptions and existing institutions. All progress is initiated by challenging current conceptions, and executed by supplanting existing institutions. Consequently, the first condition of progress is the removal of censorship.”
― George Bernard Shaw, Mrs. Warren's Profession
There has been much debate about the harmful nature of spreading misinformation, as well as promoting fear and hate based ideologies, due to their potential corrupting influences on human minds and in turn, whole societies. This goes as far back to the ideas of Socrates, where in his ideal Republic certain ideas, imagery, poems and literature would be banned from the public arena, censored out of existence (described primarily in books 2 & 3), in order to promote a society that would strive towards what is “right”.
Of course the first great problem here is the question of what indeed is right, correct and positive for the flourishing of a healthy society. Who decides on what should be censored and indeed based on what do they decide?
What is seen as morally correct has changed greatly throughout history and still differs from culture to culture – where, for example, homosexuality has been and still is believed to be a great sin in many areas of the planet (and has throughout many eras of human history), nowadays it is viewed in a far more accepting manner, especially in Western society. A great divergence from certain ancient cultures to modern times can be seen in something such as pederasty, which was seen as normal, and even encouraged, in certain eras of ancient Greece and Rome. Now similar practices are viewed as mostly sick and illegal due to minors being seen as unable to meaningfully consent to sexual activity with adults.
Mainstream scientific views have also been wrong many times throughout our times and have only gradually updated themselves through new discoveries that slowly seeped into the academic and public arena. Thus nowadays, despite the discoveries in quantum mechanics that describe the world as a relation between the observer and the observed, as well as imply a non-deterministic reality, the old Newtonian world-view of pure objectivity and determinism is still very much rooted in most of society’s thinking. There are many more such examples that can be given throughout history. Let me simply mention that until 1803, when their reality was finally conceded, meteorites were seen as a myth and superstition. “Stones cannot fall from the sky” – so all reports of such phenomena were viewed as delusions. In 1772 the prestigious French Academy of Science appointed a committee to investigate such claims of “falling rocks” and concluded that they could not be real. Its conclusions were so convincing that museums all over Western Europe threw away their meteorite specimens.
If morality, beliefs and science are insufficient in creating a template for what should be discussed and what should be censored away, then what should that template even be? Perhaps, just perhaps the censorship of any ideas may not be the best solution after all? Perhaps all ideas should remain on the table, free to be debated at will, while more and better information should be given instead of that which is blatantly false and divisive to be forcibly removed from the public's awareness.

Can One Stomp Out Dissent?

“To forbid us anything is to make us have a mind for it.”
― Michel de Montaigne, Montaigne: Essays
Conversely, does censorship even work in actually uprooting the ideas and beliefs of individuals and groups – or does it merely drive these ideas underground, into greater echo-chambers where further radicalization can occur?
An idea or belief can only survive as long as it is seen as logically correct, or if the emotions behind it are so strong as to keep it afloat (usually it is a bit of both, though feelings do seem to come over facts in modern discourse – sadly we are all to blame in this to some degree, even though many may claim otherwise, not realizing their own blind-spots).
Thus the only way to neutralize it is to dissolve the emotion behind it and/or refute its logical counter-part. Censorship, of course, does neither of the above. In fact, if an idea is censored and not refuted (especially when many have already taken it into their consciousness) and the emotional wounds behind it are not healed (if it is based on fear or anger), it is extremely likely to continue spreading in some way. Not only that, the desire for its believers to spread it will become far greater, and in their minds more justified, due to its censorship.
The mere move towards censoring an idea is something that can often make it more popular, in what can be described as the phenomenon of psychological reactance. For example ― in 2003, Barbra Streisand sued photographer Kenneth Adelman for taking a photograph of her Malibu mansion, citing violation of privacy as a reason. The photograph of her estate, which had been downloaded a mere few times from Adelman’s website before that, became so popular as the result of the well-publicized lawsuit that it was downloaded near half-a-million times in the following month. The social phenomenon of information spreading even more widely after its attempted censorship has thus been dubbed The Streisand Effect.
But of course, this phenomenon is nothing new and can be seen throughout history.
Did the vast persecution of Christians since Roman times and a desire to stop their religious expression stop Christianity as a whole? Did the censorship of literature related to male homosexuality and birth control in the 19th century (especially in Britain) cause “gayness” to die off, or the movement for its inclusion in society to cease? Did the censoring of such works as Ulysses, by James Joyce, Lady Chatterley’s Lover, by DH Lawrence, and Howl, by Allen Ginsberg, remove these books out of existence or did they perchance become bestsellers?
Censorship, in terms of its desire to control is similar to war – it comes with a desire to stomp out the opposition in the hopes that it can and will allow itself to be eliminated by force. But if the war on terror and the one on drugs have given such poor results, how on Earth can a war on specific forms of information ever hope to be a success (putting aside the question whether success in such a “war” should even be hoped for)? Information is much like water, or air, but even subtler than that. It is carried through our consciousness, our minds, and without controlling the inner world and will of all, the flow of ideas can never be truly ceased.
Perhaps the greatest thing that can be done, especially in the case of fear and hate based ideologies, is the promotion of emotional healing and alternative arguments that may give people a different perspective and allow them to step into “a new story”, as one of my favourite social philosophers, Charles Eisenstein, would say.

The Parallels Between Meditation and Free Speech

“As above, so below, as within, so without, as the universe, so the soul…”
― Hermes Trismegistus
As someone that has practiced meditation for many years now, I cannot help but see some very significant parallels between the suppression of thoughts, ideas (including corresponding emotions) on the level of the individual – and the suppression of those very same aspects on the societal and global scale.
In my experience, whenever something is suppressed in the human mind, pushed into the subconscious, it desires to rise up again into consciousness, where it will be acknowledged and integrated back into the psyche. Through meditative practice, emotions and thoughts are allowed to arise, be felt, observed and thus integrated. It is awareness that is the great healer, the great catalyst for change – and by relegating pain back to the unconscious, by suppressing it, as well as our desires and needs, our joys and fears, trials and tribulations, we will ensure that mental health, inner peace and happiness will always be out of reach.
Throughout my life I have noticed that what applies to the individual very often also applies to the collective. For what else is the collective than a group of individuals, a collective consciousness, a hive-mind that in many ways can be said to be an organism in and of itself?
If collectively, the thoughts, emotions and perspectives of individuals are suppressed and denied, if their ideas are censored out of existence, if they are not allowed to speak freely, the consequences to the health of the society that these individuals comprise will become nothing short of disastrous.
If they are on the other hand allowed to come into the light of awareness of the collective organism of humanity, healing and integration can begin, most often through healthy discourse and debate. Even the most wretched and hateful belief-systems, even the ideas that seem to fly in the face of all logic and reason (though many times, when facing some of these ideas, we see that perhaps our own logic and reason needs an update as well) can and must be brought to the attention of mass consciousness, in order for integration and healing (in the case of great fear and hate) to occur.
It is futile to believe that ideologies based on a lack of sensibility and empathy will simply disappear if we ignore them. This is mirrored in the belief that many people still have, where their own inner shadow or the aspects of themselves they have deemed unfitting or unworthy will simply vanish into thin air if they are never acknowledged. This will simply not occur, for it is impossible for healing to happen without awareness, it is impossible for change to happen without the light of consciousness, it is impossible for understanding to come without acknowledgment.
Through repression and suppression of people’s thoughts, opinions and emotions those very aspects begin to come up in other areas of individual and collective life – for what is suppressed will eventually come up into consciousness, whether through a verbalized opinion (perhaps the least problematic of all), an action, or ultimately on the most extreme collective scale – through war.
Thus the only way forward is to turn on the light and let the darkness be dissolved in its presence. As within, so without, as above so below – and if I might add, as in the individual, so in the collective.

The Discourse Deciders of the Information Age

“Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech.”
― Benjamin Franklin
It is now that the entirety of online discourse has been guided towards and centralized in a few mega-platforms, owned by enormous corporations and spear-headed by out of touch and often morally destitute billionaires. Google, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Reddit (some of these owned by the same company) are now the norm for searching, communicating, sharing, discussing and seeking out entertainment on the Web. On a myriad of devices, these websites are the default choice for many activities, often so integrated that they cannot even be removed (for example - on many new smartphones, various Google apps, as well as Facebook cannot be uninstalled), thus guiding especially new, and technically less savvy, users to being more inclined to use them.
Because everyone now uses these platforms, it is more likely that companies, political parties, or even individuals trying to speak their mind, will use them as well. Whether because of a desire to spread influence, sell a product or merely speak their mind, being on these platforms means more people will hear your voice and thus your reach will be far greater than elsewhere. Not to mention that most of these sites, through the immense profits they have accrued (mainly of course through the participation of the masses), have the ability to manage vast amounts of data and users, through expensive physical infrastructure and top software engineers, thus making their monopoly in the online world even fiercer. The idea that one can simply “create their own YouTube” is obviously an illusion, since the upkeep costs would be far beyond most people’s (or even companies’) reach.
These vast corporations and their respective platform hold an immense monopoly on Internet discourse – and through the power they hold, they have a massive say in what ideas, beliefs and perspectives, as well as which individuals discussing them are allowed in online discourse. And since online discourse now comprises the main aspect of mass human discussion and debate in general, these platforms have the power to shape and mold the minds of people, rivaled in their power perhaps only by television at the height of its influence.

Solutions to Combat Silencing

“Proclaim the truth and do not be silent through fear.”
― St. Catherine of Siena
So what should be done? I suggest the greatest antidote to censorship is speaking one’s mind fully and without fear. Only by being afraid of speaking up, only through fear of being “canceled” or viciously verbally assaulted (real possibilities, but still far lesser repercussions than those people faced in the past), can ideas and perspectives be silenced and allowed to fester in the individual and global subconscious.
If possible, try to be a good example when you do speak your mind. Educate yourself on the topics you are discussing, listen to other people and consider their opinions and perspectives, allow yourself to be aware of your emotional triggers, wounds and how they influence your thinking and reasoning.
If at all possible, consider engaging in a meditation practice – that alone will give you far greater clarity of mind, the ability to transcend emotional wounds that prevent insightful and unimpeded reasoning (including listening to others with an open-mind), as well as that crucial element that we should all be striving for in order to make our society better – compassion. In a way, clear and open communication naturally gives rise to compassion (and ultimately is a form of compassion), as you allow yourself to truly hear and know the other person’s perspective, thereby updating and clarifying your own.
It is clear, open communication and debate that we should all be striving for in order to make this society better, in order to dispel misinformation and hate, as well as to foster empathy for one another and our distinct perspectives that make life the cornucopia of diversity and uniqueness that it is.
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2020.11.22 19:21 Jac0b777 An In-Depth Examination of the Importance of Free Speech, Its Parallels With Meditation and the Futility of Censorship

"Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience, above all liberties."
– John Milton, Areopagitica
Free speech, or the ability to freely speak your mind (especially in a public venue), has had a tumultuous ride throughout humanity’s history. Though there have been strong movements for the freedom of expression dating back to ancient Greece and Rome, in reality it was still very easy to get executed when speaking truth to power, or when going against the cultural or religious grain at the time (Socrates’ death sentence for “subversion of the youth” and impiety [in his case disbelief in the Gods of the state] being one well known example).
From being burned at the stake, excommunicated, imprisoned, fined or even sent to a labor camp, many of the people that comprised our societies throughout history have not been too keen on hearing what other people thought or believed. Though freedom of speech was often idealized in principle, that principle could be (and often was) very quickly swept aside when it contradicted what was commonly seen as correct, true or morally right in terms of the values, beliefs, scientific paradigms and religious perceptions of the time.
With the advent of the printing press, the ability to speak your mind freely skyrocketed, but so too did censorship, imposed primarily by the Church due to fears of heresy. In fact, the origins of most copyright law originate in the Catholic Church and a variety of governments’ attempt to control the flow of information through printing.
The ability to share and disseminate “illegal” information was now easier than before, but the penalties were still great and anonymity in sharing difficult. However, throughout the 20th century the extent and importance of free speech increased greatly – and ultimately came to a head with the advent and incredible spread of the Internet.
Now the information era had come – and with it the seeming impossibility to stop a torrent of information, views and perspectives being shared everywhere. Ideas that would have surely had you killed hundreds of years ago were now commonplace and easily accessible to all. Or so it seemed.
The Internet truly looked like one of those few rare inventions that could positively influence the world – giving free access to information for all, as well as uniting people from distant lands in the knowledge that they are not really as different as they may have previously thought. But as in many such cases, the human desire to control started rearing its ugly head.
Though the amount of misinformation can be rampant online, as well as the hate and fear that can circulate and find common-ground with others, creating echo-chambers of destructive thought, one wonders whether the true danger lies in allowing such information to spread unmitigated or whether the far greater threat comes from a reckless (and usually unsuccessful) desire to stomp it out of existence.

Censorship or Communication – Who or What Shall Be the Arbiter of Truth?

“All censorships exist to prevent anyone from challenging current conceptions and existing institutions. All progress is initiated by challenging current conceptions, and executed by supplanting existing institutions. Consequently, the first condition of progress is the removal of censorship.”
― George Bernard Shaw, Mrs. Warren's Profession
There has been much debate about the harmful nature of spreading misinformation, as well as promoting fear and hate based ideologies, due to their potential corrupting influences on human minds and in turn, whole societies. This goes as far back to the ideas of Socrates, where in his ideal Republic certain ideas, imagery, poems and literature would be banned from the public arena, censored out of existence (described primarily in books 2 & 3), in order to promote a society that would strive towards what is “right”.
Of course the first great problem here is the question of what indeed is right, correct and positive for the flourishing of a healthy society. Who decides on what should be censored and indeed based on what do they decide?
What is seen as morally correct has changed greatly throughout history and still differs from culture to culture – where, for example, homosexuality has been and still is believed to be a great sin in many areas of the planet (and has throughout many eras of human history), nowadays it is viewed in a far more accepting manner, especially in Western society. A great divergence from certain ancient cultures to modern times can be seen in something such as pederasty, which was seen as normal, and even encouraged, in certain eras of ancient Greece and Rome. Now similar practices are viewed as mostly sick and illegal due to minors being seen as unable to meaningfully consent to sexual activity with adults.
Mainstream scientific views have also been wrong many times throughout our times and have only gradually updated themselves through new discoveries that slowly seeped into the academic and public arena. Thus nowadays, despite the discoveries in quantum mechanics that describe the world as a relation between the observer and the observed, as well as imply a non-deterministic reality, the old Newtonian world-view of pure objectivity and determinism is still very much rooted in most of society’s thinking. There are many more such examples that can be given throughout history. Let me simply mention that until 1803, when their reality was finally conceded, meteorites were seen as a myth and superstition. “Stones cannot fall from the sky” – so all reports of such phenomena were viewed as delusions. In 1772 the prestigious French Academy of Science appointed a committee to investigate such claims of “falling rocks” and concluded that they could not be real. Its conclusions were so convincing that museums all over Western Europe threw away their meteorite specimens.
If morality, beliefs and science are insufficient in creating a template for what should be discussed and what should be censored away, then what should that template even be? Perhaps, just perhaps the censorship of any ideas may not be the best solution after all? Perhaps all ideas should remain on the table, free to be debated at will, while more and better information should be given instead of that which is blatantly false and divisive to be forcibly removed from the public's awareness.

Can One Stomp Out Dissent?

“To forbid us anything is to make us have a mind for it.”
― Michel de Montaigne, Montaigne: Essays
Conversely, does censorship even work in actually uprooting the ideas and beliefs of individuals and groups – or does it merely drive these ideas underground, into greater echo-chambers where further radicalization can occur?
An idea or belief can only survive as long as it is seen as logically correct, or if the emotions behind it are so strong as to keep it afloat (usually it is a bit of both, though feelings do seem to come over facts in modern discourse – sadly we are all to blame in this to some degree, even though many may claim otherwise, not realizing their own blind-spots).
Thus the only way to neutralize it is to dissolve the emotion behind it and/or refute its logical counter-part. Censorship, of course, does neither of the above. In fact, if an idea is censored and not refuted (especially when many have already taken it into their consciousness) and the emotional wounds behind it are not healed (if it is based on fear or anger), it is extremely likely to continue spreading in some way. Not only that, the desire for its believers to spread it will become far greater, and in their minds more justified, due to its censorship.
The mere move towards censoring an idea is something that can often make it more popular, in what can be described as the phenomenon of psychological reactance. For example ― in 2003, Barbra Streisand sued photographer Kenneth Adelman for taking a photograph of her Malibu mansion, citing violation of privacy as a reason. The photograph of her estate, which had been downloaded a mere few times from Adelman’s website before that, became so popular as the result of the well-publicized lawsuit that it was downloaded near half-a-million times in the following month. The social phenomenon of information spreading even more widely after its attempted censorship has thus been dubbed The Streisand Effect.
But of course, this phenomenon is nothing new and can be seen throughout history.
Did the vast persecution of Christians since Roman times and a desire to stop their religious expression stop Christianity as a whole? Did the censorship of literature related to male homosexuality and birth control in the 19th century (especially in Britain) cause “gayness” to die off, or the movement for its inclusion in society to cease? Did the censoring of such works as Ulysses, by James Joyce, Lady Chatterley’s Lover, by DH Lawrence, and Howl, by Allen Ginsberg, remove these books out of existence or did they perchance become bestsellers?
Censorship, in terms of its desire to control is similar to war – it comes with a desire to stomp out the opposition in the hopes that it can and will allow itself to be eliminated by force. But if the war on terror and the one on drugs have given such poor results, how on Earth can a war on specific forms of information ever hope to be a success (putting aside the question whether success in such a “war” should even be hoped for)? Information is much like water, or air, but even subtler than that. It is carried through our consciousness, our minds, and without controlling the inner world and will of all, the flow of ideas can never be truly ceased.
Perhaps the greatest thing that can be done, especially in the case of fear and hate based ideologies, is the promotion of emotional healing and alternative arguments that may give people a different perspective and allow them to step into “a new story”, as one of my favourite social philosophers, Charles Eisenstein, would say.

The Parallels Between Meditation and Free Speech

“As above, so below, as within, so without, as the universe, so the soul…”
― Hermes Trismegistus
As someone that has practiced meditation for many years now, I cannot help but see some very significant parallels between the suppression of thoughts, ideas (including corresponding emotions) on the level of the individual – and the suppression of those very same aspects on the societal and global scale.
In my experience, whenever something is suppressed in the human mind, pushed into the subconscious, it desires to rise up again into consciousness, where it will be acknowledged and integrated back into the psyche. Through meditative practice, emotions and thoughts are allowed to arise, be felt, observed and thus integrated. It is awareness that is the great healer, the great catalyst for change – and by relegating pain back to the unconscious, by suppressing it, as well as our desires and needs, our joys and fears, trials and tribulations, we will ensure that mental health, inner peace and happiness will always be out of reach.
Throughout my life I have noticed that what applies to the individual very often also applies to the collective. For what else is the collective than a group of individuals, a collective consciousness, a hive-mind that in many ways can be said to be an organism in and of itself?
If collectively, the thoughts, emotions and perspectives of individuals are suppressed and denied, if their ideas are censored out of existence, if they are not allowed to speak freely, the consequences to the health of the society that these individuals comprise will become nothing short of disastrous.
If they are on the other hand allowed to come into the light of awareness of the collective organism of humanity, healing and integration can begin, most often through healthy discourse and debate. Even the most wretched and hateful belief-systems, even the ideas that seem to fly in the face of all logic and reason (though many times, when facing some of these ideas, we see that perhaps our own logic and reason needs an update as well) can and must be brought to the attention of mass consciousness, in order for integration and healing (in the case of great fear and hate) to occur.
It is futile to believe that ideologies based on a lack of sensibility and empathy will simply disappear if we ignore them. This is mirrored in the belief that many people still have, where their own inner shadow or the aspects of themselves they have deemed unfitting or unworthy will simply vanish into thin air if they are never acknowledged. This will simply not occur, for it is impossible for healing to happen without awareness, it is impossible for change to happen without the light of consciousness, it is impossible for understanding to come without acknowledgment.
Through repression and suppression of people’s thoughts, opinions and emotions those very aspects begin to come up in other areas of individual and collective life – for what is suppressed will eventually come up into consciousness, whether through a verbalized opinion (perhaps the least problematic of all), an action, or ultimately on the most extreme collective scale – through war.
Thus the only way forward is to turn on the light and let the darkness be dissolved in its presence. As within, so without, as above so below – and if I might add, as in the individual, so in the collective.

The Discourse Deciders of the Information Age

“Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech.”
― Benjamin Franklin
It is now that the entirety of online discourse has been guided towards and centralized in a few mega-platforms, owned by enormous corporations and spear-headed by out of touch and often morally destitute billionaires. Google, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Reddit (some of these owned by the same company) are now the norm for searching, communicating, sharing, discussing and seeking out entertainment on the Web. On a myriad of devices, these websites are the default choice for many activities, often so integrated that they cannot even be removed (for example - on many new smartphones, various Google apps, as well as Facebook cannot be uninstalled), thus guiding especially new, and technically less savvy, users to being more inclined to use them.
Because everyone now uses these platforms, it is more likely that companies, political parties, or even individuals trying to speak their mind, will use them as well. Whether because of a desire to spread influence, sell a product or merely speak their mind, being on these platforms means more people will hear your voice and thus your reach will be far greater than elsewhere. Not to mention that most of these sites, through the immense profits they have accrued (mainly of course through the participation of the masses), have the ability to manage vast amounts of data and users, through expensive physical infrastructure and top software engineers, thus making their monopoly in the online world even fiercer. The idea that one can simply “create their own YouTube” is obviously an illusion, since the upkeep costs would be far beyond most people’s (or even companies’) reach.
These vast corporations and their respective platform hold an immense monopoly on Internet discourse – and through the power they hold, they have a massive say in what ideas, beliefs and perspectives, as well as which individuals discussing them are allowed in online discourse. And since online discourse now comprises the main aspect of mass human discussion and debate in general, these platforms have the power to shape and mold the minds of people, rivaled in their power perhaps only by television at the height of its influence.

Solutions to Combat Silencing

“Proclaim the truth and do not be silent through fear.”
― St. Catherine of Siena
So what should be done? I suggest the greatest antidote to censorship is speaking one’s mind fully and without fear. Only by being afraid of speaking up, only through fear of being “canceled” or viciously verbally assaulted (real possibilities, but still far lesser repercussions than those people faced in the past), can ideas and perspectives be silenced and allowed to fester in the individual and global subconscious.
If possible, try to be a good example when you do speak your mind. Educate yourself on the topics you are discussing, listen to other people and consider their opinions and perspectives, allow yourself to be aware of your emotional triggers, wounds and how they influence your thinking and reasoning.
If at all possible, consider engaging in a meditation practice – that alone will give you far greater clarity of mind, the ability to transcend emotional wounds that prevent insightful and unimpeded reasoning (including listening to others with an open-mind), as well as that crucial element that we should all be striving for in order to make our society better – compassion. In a way, clear and open communication naturally gives rise to compassion (and ultimately is a form of compassion), as you allow yourself to truly hear and know the other person’s perspective, thereby updating and clarifying your own.
It is clear, open communication and debate that we should all be striving for in order to make this society better, in order to dispel misinformation and hate, as well as to foster empathy for one another and our distinct perspectives that make life the cornucopia of diversity and uniqueness that it is.
This has also been posted here:
The Importance of Free Speech, Its Parallels With Meditation and the Futility of Censorship
My site for the curious:
www.embraceyourexperience.com
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2020.11.22 19:16 Jac0b777 An In-Depth Examination of the Importance of Free Speech, Its Parallels With Meditation and the Futility of Censorship

"Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience, above all liberties."
– John Milton, Areopagitica
Free speech, or the ability to freely speak your mind (especially in a public venue), has had a tumultuous ride throughout humanity’s history. Though there have been strong movements for the freedom of expression dating back to ancient Greece and Rome, in reality it was still very easy to get executed when speaking truth to power, or when going against the cultural or religious grain at the time (Socrates’ death sentence for “subversion of the youth” and impiety [in his case disbelief in the Gods of the state] being one well known example).
From being burned at the stake, excommunicated, imprisoned, fined or even sent to a labor camp, many of the people that comprised our societies throughout history have not been too keen on hearing what other people thought or believed. Though freedom of speech was often idealized in principle, that principle could be (and often was) very quickly swept aside when it contradicted what was commonly seen as correct, true or morally right in terms of the values, beliefs, scientific paradigms and religious perceptions of the time.
With the advent of the printing press, the ability to speak your mind freely skyrocketed, but so too did censorship, imposed primarily by the Church due to fears of heresy. In fact, the origins of most copyright law originate in the Catholic Church and a variety of governments’ attempt to control the flow of information through printing.
The ability to share and disseminate “illegal” information was now easier than before, but the penalties were still great and anonymity in sharing difficult. However, throughout the 20th century the extent and importance of free speech increased greatly – and ultimately came to a head with the advent and incredible spread of the Internet.
Now the information era had come – and with it the seeming impossibility to stop a torrent of information, views and perspectives being shared everywhere. Ideas that would have surely had you killed hundreds of years ago were now commonplace and easily accessible to all. Or so it seemed.
The Internet truly looked like one of those few rare inventions that could positively influence the world – giving free access to information for all, as well as uniting people from distant lands in the knowledge that they are not really as different as they may have previously thought. But as in many such cases, the human desire to control started rearing its ugly head.
Though the amount of misinformation can be rampant online, as well as the hate and fear that can circulate and find common-ground with others, creating echo-chambers of destructive thought, one wonders whether the true danger lies in allowing such information to spread unmitigated or whether the far greater threat comes from a reckless (and usually unsuccessful) desire to stomp it out of existence.

Censorship or Communication – Who or What Shall Be the Arbiter of Truth?

“All censorships exist to prevent anyone from challenging current conceptions and existing institutions. All progress is initiated by challenging current conceptions, and executed by supplanting existing institutions. Consequently, the first condition of progress is the removal of censorship.”
― George Bernard Shaw, Mrs. Warren's Profession
There has been much debate about the harmful nature of spreading misinformation, as well as promoting fear and hate based ideologies, due to their potential corrupting influences on human minds and in turn, whole societies. This goes as far back to the ideas of Socrates, where in his ideal Republic certain ideas, imagery, poems and literature would be banned from the public arena, censored out of existence (described primarily in books 2 & 3), in order to promote a society that would strive towards what is “right”.
Of course the first great problem here is the question of what indeed is right, correct and positive for the flourishing of a healthy society. Who decides on what should be censored and indeed based on what do they decide?
What is seen as morally correct has changed greatly throughout history and still differs from culture to culture – where, for example, homosexuality has been and still is believed to be a great sin in many areas of the planet (and has throughout many eras of human history), nowadays it is viewed in a far more accepting manner, especially in Western society. A great divergence from certain ancient cultures to modern times can be seen in something such as pederasty, which was seen as normal, and even encouraged, in certain eras of ancient Greece and Rome. Now similar practices are viewed as mostly sick and illegal due to minors being seen as unable to meaningfully consent to sexual activity with adults.
Mainstream scientific views have also been wrong many times throughout our times and have only gradually updated themselves through new discoveries that slowly seeped into the academic and public arena. Thus nowadays, despite the discoveries in quantum mechanics that describe the world as a relation between the observer and the observed, as well as imply a non-deterministic reality, the old Newtonian world-view of pure objectivity and determinism is still very much rooted in most of society’s thinking. There are many more such examples that can be given throughout history. Let me simply mention that until 1803, when their reality was finally conceded, meteorites were seen as a myth and superstition. “Stones cannot fall from the sky” – so all reports of such phenomena were viewed as delusions. In 1772 the prestigious French Academy of Science appointed a committee to investigate such claims of “falling rocks” and concluded that they could not be real. Its conclusions were so convincing that museums all over Western Europe threw away their meteorite specimens.
If morality, beliefs and science are insufficient in creating a template for what should be discussed and what should be censored away, then what should that template even be? Perhaps, just perhaps the censorship of any ideas may not be the best solution after all? Perhaps all ideas should remain on the table, free to be debated at will, while more and better information should be given instead of that which is blatantly false and divisive to be forcibly removed from the public's awareness.

Can One Stomp Out Dissent?

“To forbid us anything is to make us have a mind for it.”
― Michel de Montaigne, Montaigne: Essays
Conversely, does censorship even work in actually uprooting the ideas and beliefs of individuals and groups – or does it merely drive these ideas underground, into greater echo-chambers where further radicalization can occur?
An idea or belief can only survive as long as it is seen as logically correct, or if the emotions behind it are so strong as to keep it afloat (usually it is a bit of both, though feelings do seem to come over facts in modern discourse – sadly we are all to blame in this to some degree, even though many may claim otherwise, not realizing their own blind-spots).
Thus the only way to neutralize it is to dissolve the emotion behind it and/or refute its logical counter-part. Censorship, of course, does neither of the above. In fact, if an idea is censored and not refuted (especially when many have already taken it into their consciousness) and the emotional wounds behind it are not healed (if it is based on fear or anger), it is extremely likely to continue spreading in some way. Not only that, the desire for its believers to spread it will become far greater, and in their minds more justified, due to its censorship.
The mere move towards censoring an idea is something that can often make it more popular, in what can be described as the phenomenon of psychological reactance. For example ― in 2003, Barbra Streisand sued photographer Kenneth Adelman for taking a photograph of her Malibu mansion, citing violation of privacy as a reason. The photograph of her estate, which had been downloaded a mere few times from Adelman’s website before that, became so popular as the result of the well-publicized lawsuit that it was downloaded near half-a-million times in the following month. The social phenomenon of information spreading even more widely after its attempted censorship has thus been dubbed The Streisand Effect.
But of course, this phenomenon is nothing new and can be seen throughout history.
Did the vast persecution of Christians since Roman times and a desire to stop their religious expression stop Christianity as a whole? Did the censorship of literature related to male homosexuality and birth control in the 19th century (especially in Britain) cause “gayness” to die off, or the movement for its inclusion in society to cease? Did the censoring of such works as Ulysses, by James Joyce, Lady Chatterley’s Lover, by DH Lawrence, and Howl, by Allen Ginsberg, remove these books out of existence or did they perchance become bestsellers?
Censorship, in terms of its desire to control is similar to war – it comes with a desire to stomp out the opposition in the hopes that it can and will allow itself to be eliminated by force. But if the war on terror and the one on drugs have given such poor results, how on Earth can a war on specific forms of information ever hope to be a success (putting aside the question whether success in such a “war” should even be hoped for)? Information is much like water, or air, but even subtler than that. It is carried through our consciousness, our minds, and without controlling the inner world and will of all, the flow of ideas can never be truly ceased.
Perhaps the greatest thing that can be done, especially in the case of fear and hate based ideologies, is the promotion of emotional healing and alternative arguments that may give people a different perspective and allow them to step into “a new story”, as one of my favourite social philosophers, Charles Eisenstein, would say.

The Parallels Between Meditation and Free Speech

“As above, so below, as within, so without, as the universe, so the soul…”
― Hermes Trismegistus
As someone that has practiced meditation for many years now, I cannot help but see some very significant parallels between the suppression of thoughts, ideas (including corresponding emotions) on the level of the individual – and the suppression of those very same aspects on the societal and global scale.
In my experience, whenever something is suppressed in the human mind, pushed into the subconscious, it desires to rise up again into consciousness, where it will be acknowledged and integrated back into the psyche. Through meditative practice, emotions and thoughts are allowed to arise, be felt, observed and thus integrated. It is awareness that is the great healer, the great catalyst for change – and by relegating pain back to the unconscious, by suppressing it, as well as our desires and needs, our joys and fears, trials and tribulations, we will ensure that mental health, inner peace and happiness will always be out of reach.
Throughout my life I have noticed that what applies to the individual very often also applies to the collective. For what else is the collective than a group of individuals, a collective consciousness, a hive-mind that in many ways can be said to be an organism in and of itself?
If collectively, the thoughts, emotions and perspectives of individuals are suppressed and denied, if their ideas are censored out of existence, if they are not allowed to speak freely, the consequences to the health of the society that these individuals comprise will become nothing short of disastrous.
If they are on the other hand allowed to come into the light of awareness of the collective organism of humanity, healing and integration can begin, most often through healthy discourse and debate. Even the most wretched and hateful belief-systems, even the ideas that seem to fly in the face of all logic and reason (though many times, when facing some of these ideas, we see that perhaps our own logic and reason needs an update as well) can and must be brought to the attention of mass consciousness, in order for integration and healing (in the case of great fear and hate) to occur.
It is futile to believe that ideologies based on a lack of sensibility and empathy will simply disappear if we ignore them. This is mirrored in the belief that many people still have, where their own inner shadow or the aspects of themselves they have deemed unfitting or unworthy will simply vanish into thin air if they are never acknowledged. This will simply not occur, for it is impossible for healing to happen without awareness, it is impossible for change to happen without the light of consciousness, it is impossible for understanding to come without acknowledgment.
Through repression and suppression of people’s thoughts, opinions and emotions those very aspects begin to come up in other areas of individual and collective life – for what is suppressed will eventually come up into consciousness, whether through a verbalized opinion (perhaps the least problematic of all), an action, or ultimately on the most extreme collective scale – through war.
Thus the only way forward is to turn on the light and let the darkness be dissolved in its presence. As within, so without, as above so below – and if I might add, as in the individual, so in the collective.

The Discourse Deciders of the Information Age

“Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech.”
― Benjamin Franklin
It is now that the entirety of online discourse has been guided towards and centralized in a few mega-platforms, owned by enormous corporations and spear-headed by out of touch and often morally destitute billionaires. Google, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Reddit (some of these owned by the same company) are now the norm for searching, communicating, sharing, discussing and seeking out entertainment on the Web. On a myriad of devices, these websites are the default choice for many activities, often so integrated that they cannot even be removed (for example - on many new smartphones, various Google apps, as well as Facebook cannot be uninstalled), thus guiding especially new, and technically less savvy, users to being more inclined to use them.
Because everyone now uses these platforms, it is more likely that companies, political parties, or even individuals trying to speak their mind, will use them as well. Whether because of a desire to spread influence, sell a product or merely speak their mind, being on these platforms means more people will hear your voice and thus your reach will be far greater than elsewhere. Not to mention that most of these sites, through the immense profits they have accrued (mainly of course through the participation of the masses), have the ability to manage vast amounts of data and users, through expensive physical infrastructure and top software engineers, thus making their monopoly in the online world even fiercer. The idea that one can simply “create their own YouTube” is obviously an illusion, since the upkeep costs would be far beyond most people’s (or even companies’) reach.
These vast corporations and their respective platform hold an immense monopoly on Internet discourse – and through the power they hold, they have a massive say in what ideas, beliefs and perspectives, as well as which individuals discussing them are allowed in online discourse. And since online discourse now comprises the main aspect of mass human discussion and debate in general, these platforms have the power to shape and mold the minds of people, rivaled in their power perhaps only by television at the height of its influence.

Solutions to Combat Silencing

“Proclaim the truth and do not be silent through fear.”
― St. Catherine of Siena
So what should be done? I suggest the greatest antidote to censorship is speaking one’s mind fully and without fear. Only by being afraid of speaking up, only through fear of being “canceled” or viciously verbally assaulted (real possibilities, but still far lesser repercussions than those people faced in the past), can ideas and perspectives be silenced and allowed to fester in the individual and global subconscious.
If possible, try to be a good example when you do speak your mind. Educate yourself on the topics you are discussing, listen to other people and consider their opinions and perspectives, allow yourself to be aware of your emotional triggers, wounds and how they influence your thinking and reasoning.
If at all possible, consider engaging in a meditation practice – that alone will give you far greater clarity of mind, the ability to transcend emotional wounds that prevent insightful and unimpeded reasoning (including listening to others with an open-mind), as well as that crucial element that we should all be striving for in order to make our society better – compassion. In a way, clear and open communication naturally gives rise to compassion (and ultimately is a form of compassion), as you allow yourself to truly hear and know the other person’s perspective, thereby updating and clarifying your own.
It is clear, open communication and debate that we should all be striving for in order to make this society better, in order to dispel misinformation and hate, as well as to foster empathy for one another and our distinct perspectives that make life the cornucopia of diversity and uniqueness that it is.
This has also been posted here:
The Importance of Free Speech, Its Parallels With Meditation and the Futility of Censorship
My site for the curious:
www.embraceyourexperience.com
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2020.11.22 19:13 Jac0b777 An In-Depth Examination of the Importance of Free Speech, Its Parallels With Meditation and the Futility of Censorship

"Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience, above all liberties."
– John Milton, Areopagitica
Free speech, or the ability to freely speak your mind (especially in a public venue), has had a tumultuous ride throughout humanity’s history. Though there have been strong movements for the freedom of expression dating back to ancient Greece and Rome, in reality it was still very easy to get executed when speaking truth to power, or when going against the cultural or religious grain at the time (Socrates’ death sentence for “subversion of the youth” and impiety [in his case disbelief in the Gods of the state] being one well known example).
From being burned at the stake, excommunicated, imprisoned, fined or even sent to a labor camp, many of the people that comprised our societies throughout history have not been too keen on hearing what other people thought or believed. Though freedom of speech was often idealized in principle, that principle could be (and often was) very quickly swept aside when it contradicted what was commonly seen as correct, true or morally right in terms of the values, beliefs, scientific paradigms and religious perceptions of the time.
With the advent of the printing press, the ability to speak your mind freely skyrocketed, but so too did censorship, imposed primarily by the Church due to fears of heresy. In fact, the origins of most copyright law originate in the Catholic Church and a variety of governments’ attempt to control the flow of information through printing.
The ability to share and disseminate “illegal” information was now easier than before, but the penalties were still great and anonymity in sharing difficult. However, throughout the 20th century the extent and importance of free speech increased greatly – and ultimately came to a head with the advent and incredible spread of the Internet.
Now the information era had come – and with it the seeming impossibility to stop a torrent of information, views and perspectives being shared everywhere. Ideas that would have surely had you killed hundreds of years ago were now commonplace and easily accessible to all. Or so it seemed.
The Internet truly looked like one of those few rare inventions that could positively influence the world – giving free access to information for all, as well as uniting people from distant lands in the knowledge that they are not really as different as they may have previously thought. But as in many such cases, the human desire to control started rearing its ugly head.
Though the amount of misinformation can be rampant online, as well as the hate and fear that can circulate and find common-ground with others, creating echo-chambers of destructive thought, one wonders whether the true danger lies in allowing such information to spread unmitigated or whether the far greater threat comes from a reckless (and usually unsuccessful) desire to stomp it out of existence.

Censorship or Communication – Who or What Shall Be the Arbiter of Truth?

“All censorships exist to prevent anyone from challenging current conceptions and existing institutions. All progress is initiated by challenging current conceptions, and executed by supplanting existing institutions. Consequently, the first condition of progress is the removal of censorship.”
― George Bernard Shaw, Mrs. Warren's Profession
There has been much debate about the harmful nature of spreading misinformation, as well as promoting fear and hate based ideologies, due to their potential corrupting influences on human minds and in turn, whole societies. This goes as far back to the ideas of Socrates, where in his ideal Republic certain ideas, imagery, poems and literature would be banned from the public arena, censored out of existence (described primarily in books 2 & 3), in order to promote a society that would strive towards what is “right”.
Of course the first great problem here is the question of what indeed is right, correct and positive for the flourishing of a healthy society. Who decides on what should be censored and indeed based on what do they decide?
What is seen as morally correct has changed greatly throughout history and still differs from culture to culture – where, for example, homosexuality has been and still is believed to be a great sin in many areas of the planet (and has throughout many eras of human history), nowadays it is viewed in a far more accepting manner, especially in Western society. A great divergence from certain ancient cultures to modern times can be seen in something such as pederasty, which was seen as normal, and even encouraged, in certain eras of ancient Greece and Rome. Now similar practices are viewed as mostly sick and illegal due to minors being seen as unable to meaningfully consent to sexual activity with adults.
Mainstream scientific views have also been wrong many times throughout our times and have only gradually updated themselves through new discoveries that slowly seeped into the academic and public arena. Thus nowadays, despite the discoveries in quantum mechanics that describe the world as a relation between the observer and the observed, as well as imply a non-deterministic reality, the old Newtonian world-view of pure objectivity and determinism is still very much rooted in most of society’s thinking. There are many more such examples that can be given throughout history. Let me simply mention that until 1803, when their reality was finally conceded, meteorites were seen as a myth and superstition. “Stones cannot fall from the sky” – so all reports of such phenomena were viewed as delusions. In 1772 the prestigious French Academy of Science appointed a committee to investigate such claims of “falling rocks” and concluded that they could not be real. Its conclusions were so convincing that museums all over Western Europe threw away their meteorite specimens.
If morality, beliefs and science are insufficient in creating a template for what should be discussed and what should be censored away, then what should that template even be? Perhaps, just perhaps the censorship of any ideas may not be the best solution after all? Perhaps all ideas should remain on the table, free to be debated at will, while more and better information should be given instead of that which is blatantly false and divisive to be forcibly removed from the public's awareness.

Can One Stomp Out Dissent?

“To forbid us anything is to make us have a mind for it.”
― Michel de Montaigne, Montaigne: Essays
Conversely, does censorship even work in actually uprooting the ideas and beliefs of individuals and groups – or does it merely drive these ideas underground, into greater echo-chambers where further radicalization can occur?
An idea or belief can only survive as long as it is seen as logically correct, or if the emotions behind it are so strong as to keep it afloat (usually it is a bit of both, though feelings do seem to come over facts in modern discourse – sadly we are all to blame in this to some degree, even though many may claim otherwise, not realizing their own blind-spots).
Thus the only way to neutralize it is to dissolve the emotion behind it and/or refute its logical counter-part. Censorship, of course, does neither of the above. In fact, if an idea is censored and not refuted (especially when many have already taken it into their consciousness) and the emotional wounds behind it are not healed (if it is based on fear or anger), it is extremely likely to continue spreading in some way. Not only that, the desire for its believers to spread it will become far greater, and in their minds more justified, due to its censorship.
The mere move towards censoring an idea is something that can often make it more popular, in what can be described as the phenomenon of psychological reactance. For example ― in 2003, Barbra Streisand sued photographer Kenneth Adelman for taking a photograph of her Malibu mansion, citing violation of privacy as a reason. The photograph of her estate, which had been downloaded a mere few times from Adelman’s website before that, became so popular as the result of the well-publicized lawsuit that it was downloaded near half-a-million times in the following month. The social phenomenon of information spreading even more widely after its attempted censorship has thus been dubbed The Streisand Effect.
But of course, this phenomenon is nothing new and can be seen throughout history.
Did the vast persecution of Christians since Roman times and a desire to stop their religious expression stop Christianity as a whole? Did the censorship of literature related to male homosexuality and birth control in the 19th century (especially in Britain) cause “gayness” to die off, or the movement for its inclusion in society to cease? Did the censoring of such works as Ulysses, by James Joyce, Lady Chatterley’s Lover, by DH Lawrence, and Howl, by Allen Ginsberg, remove these books out of existence or did they perchance become bestsellers?
Censorship, in terms of its desire to control is similar to war – it comes with a desire to stomp out the opposition in the hopes that it can and will allow itself to be eliminated by force. But if the war on terror and the one on drugs have given such poor results, how on Earth can a war on specific forms of information ever hope to be a success (putting aside the question whether success in such a “war” should even be hoped for)? Information is much like water, or air, but even subtler than that. It is carried through our consciousness, our minds, and without controlling the inner world and will of all, the flow of ideas can never be truly ceased.
Perhaps the greatest thing that can be done, especially in the case of fear and hate based ideologies, is the promotion of emotional healing and alternative arguments that may give people a different perspective and allow them to step into “a new story”, as one of my favourite social philosophers, Charles Eisenstein, would say.

The Parallels Between Meditation and Free Speech

“As above, so below, as within, so without, as the universe, so the soul…”
― Hermes Trismegistus
As someone that has practiced meditation for many years now, I cannot help but see some very significant parallels between the suppression of thoughts, ideas (including corresponding emotions) on the level of the individual – and the suppression of those very same aspects on the societal and global scale.
In my experience, whenever something is suppressed in the human mind, pushed into the subconscious, it desires to rise up again into consciousness, where it will be acknowledged and integrated back into the psyche. Through meditative practice, emotions and thoughts are allowed to arise, be felt, observed and thus integrated. It is awareness that is the great healer, the great catalyst for change – and by relegating pain back to the unconscious, by suppressing it, as well as our desires and needs, our joys and fears, trials and tribulations, we will ensure that mental health, inner peace and happiness will always be out of reach.
Throughout my life I have noticed that what applies to the individual very often also applies to the collective. For what else is the collective than a group of individuals, a collective consciousness, a hive-mind that in many ways can be said to be an organism in and of itself?
If collectively, the thoughts, emotions and perspectives of individuals are suppressed and denied, if their ideas are censored out of existence, if they are not allowed to speak freely, the consequences to the health of the society that these individuals comprise will become nothing short of disastrous.
If they are on the other hand allowed to come into the light of awareness of the collective organism of humanity, healing and integration can begin, most often through healthy discourse and debate. Even the most wretched and hateful belief-systems, even the ideas that seem to fly in the face of all logic and reason (though many times, when facing some of these ideas, we see that perhaps our own logic and reason needs an update as well) can and must be brought to the attention of mass consciousness, in order for integration and healing (in the case of great fear and hate) to occur.
It is futile to believe that ideologies based on a lack of sensibility and empathy will simply disappear if we ignore them. This is mirrored in the belief that many people still have, where their own inner shadow or the aspects of themselves they have deemed unfitting or unworthy will simply vanish into thin air if they are never acknowledged. This will simply not occur, for it is impossible for healing to happen without awareness, it is impossible for change to happen without the light of consciousness, it is impossible for understanding to come without acknowledgment.
Through repression and suppression of people’s thoughts, opinions and emotions those very aspects begin to come up in other areas of individual and collective life – for what is suppressed will eventually come up into consciousness, whether through a verbalized opinion (perhaps the least problematic of all), an action, or ultimately on the most extreme collective scale – through war.
Thus the only way forward is to turn on the light and let the darkness be dissolved in its presence. As within, so without, as above so below – and if I might add, as in the individual, so in the collective.

The Discourse Deciders of the Information Age

“Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech.”
― Benjamin Franklin
It is now that the entirety of online discourse has been guided towards and centralized in a few mega-platforms, owned by enormous corporations and spear-headed by out of touch and often morally destitute billionaires. Google, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Reddit (some of these owned by the same company) are now the norm for searching, communicating, sharing, discussing and seeking out entertainment on the Web. On a myriad of devices, these websites are the default choice for many activities, often so integrated that they cannot even be removed (for example - on many new smartphones, various Google apps, as well as Facebook cannot be uninstalled), thus guiding especially new, and technically less savvy, users to being more inclined to use them.
Because everyone now uses these platforms, it is more likely that companies, political parties, or even individuals trying to speak their mind, will use them as well. Whether because of a desire to spread influence, sell a product or merely speak their mind, being on these platforms means more people will hear your voice and thus your reach will be far greater than elsewhere. Not to mention that most of these sites, through the immense profits they have accrued (mainly of course through the participation of the masses), have the ability to manage vast amounts of data and users, through expensive physical infrastructure and top software engineers, thus making their monopoly in the online world even fiercer. The idea that one can simply “create their own YouTube” is obviously an illusion, since the upkeep costs would be far beyond most people’s (or even companies’) reach.
These vast corporations and their respective platform hold an immense monopoly on Internet discourse – and through the power they hold, they have a massive say in what ideas, beliefs and perspectives, as well as which individuals discussing them are allowed in online discourse. And since online discourse now comprises the main aspect of mass human discussion and debate in general, these platforms have the power to shape and mold the minds of people, rivaled in their power perhaps only by television at the height of its influence.

Solutions to Combat Silencing

“Proclaim the truth and do not be silent through fear.”
― St. Catherine of Siena
So what should be done? I suggest the greatest antidote to censorship is speaking one’s mind fully and without fear. Only by being afraid of speaking up, only through fear of being “canceled” or viciously verbally assaulted (real possibilities, but still far lesser repercussions than those people faced in the past), can ideas and perspectives be silenced and allowed to fester in the individual and global subconscious.
If possible, try to be a good example when you do speak your mind. Educate yourself on the topics you are discussing, listen to other people and consider their opinions and perspectives, allow yourself to be aware of your emotional triggers, wounds and how they influence your thinking and reasoning.
If at all possible, consider engaging in a meditation practice – that alone will give you far greater clarity of mind, the ability to transcend emotional wounds that prevent insightful and unimpeded reasoning (including listening to others with an open-mind), as well as that crucial element that we should all be striving for in order to make our society better – compassion. In a way, clear and open communication naturally gives rise to compassion (and ultimately is a form of compassion), as you allow yourself to truly hear and know the other person’s perspective, thereby updating and clarifying your own.
It is clear, open communication and debate that we should all be striving for in order to make this society better, in order to dispel misinformation and hate, as well as to foster empathy for one another and our distinct perspectives that make life the cornucopia of diversity and uniqueness that it is.
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2020.11.22 19:09 Jac0b777 An In-Depth Examination of the Importance of Free Speech, Its Parallels With Meditation and the Futility of Censorship

"Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience, above all liberties."
– John Milton, Areopagitica
Free speech, or the ability to freely speak your mind (especially in a public venue), has had a tumultuous ride throughout humanity’s history. Though there have been strong movements for the freedom of expression dating back to ancient Greece and Rome, in reality it was still very easy to get executed when speaking truth to power, or when going against the cultural or religious grain at the time (Socrates’ death sentence for “subversion of the youth” and impiety [in his case disbelief in the Gods of the state] being one well known example).
From being burned at the stake, excommunicated, imprisoned, fined or even sent to a labor camp, many of the people that comprised our societies throughout history have not been too keen on hearing what other people thought or believed. Though freedom of speech was often idealized in principle, that principle could be (and often was) very quickly swept aside when it contradicted what was commonly seen as correct, true or morally right in terms of the values, beliefs, scientific paradigms and religious perceptions of the time.
With the advent of the printing press, the ability to speak your mind freely skyrocketed, but so too did censorship, imposed primarily by the Church due to fears of heresy. In fact, the origins of most copyright law originate in the Catholic Church and a variety of governments’ attempt to control the flow of information through printing.
The ability to share and disseminate “illegal” information was now easier than before, but the penalties were still great and anonymity in sharing difficult. However, throughout the 20th century the extent and importance of free speech increased greatly – and ultimately came to a head with the advent and incredible spread of the Internet.
Now the information era had come – and with it the seeming impossibility to stop a torrent of information, views and perspectives being shared everywhere. Ideas that would have surely had you killed hundreds of years ago were now commonplace and easily accessible to all. Or so it seemed.
The Internet truly looked like one of those few rare inventions that could positively influence the world – giving free access to information for all, as well as uniting people from distant lands in the knowledge that they are not really as different as they may have previously thought. But as in many such cases, the human desire to control started rearing its ugly head.
Though the amount of misinformation can be rampant online, as well as the hate and fear that can circulate and find common-ground with others, creating echo-chambers of destructive thought, one wonders whether the true danger lies in allowing such information to spread unmitigated or whether the far greater threat comes from a reckless (and usually unsuccessful) desire to stomp it out of existence.

Censorship or Communication – Who or What Shall Be the Arbiter of Truth?

“All censorships exist to prevent anyone from challenging current conceptions and existing institutions. All progress is initiated by challenging current conceptions, and executed by supplanting existing institutions. Consequently, the first condition of progress is the removal of censorship.”
― George Bernard Shaw, Mrs. Warren's Profession
There has been much debate about the harmful nature of spreading misinformation, as well as promoting fear and hate based ideologies, due to their potential corrupting influences on human minds and in turn, whole societies. This goes as far back to the ideas of Socrates, where in his ideal Republic certain ideas, imagery, poems and literature would be banned from the public arena, censored out of existence (described primarily in books 2 & 3), in order to promote a society that would strive towards what is “right”.
Of course the first great problem here is the question of what indeed is right, correct and positive for the flourishing of a healthy society. Who decides on what should be censored and indeed based on what do they decide?
What is seen as morally correct has changed greatly throughout history and still differs from culture to culture – where, for example, homosexuality has been and still is believed to be a great sin in many areas of the planet (and has throughout many eras of human history), nowadays it is viewed in a far more accepting manner, especially in Western society. A great divergence from certain ancient cultures to modern times can be seen in something such as pederasty, which was seen as normal, and even encouraged, in certain eras of ancient Greece and Rome. Now similar practices are viewed as mostly sick and illegal due to minors being seen as unable to meaningfully consent to sexual activity with adults.
Mainstream scientific views have also been wrong many times throughout our times and have only gradually updated themselves through new discoveries that slowly seeped into the academic and public arena. Thus nowadays, despite the discoveries in quantum mechanics that describe the world as a relation between the observer and the observed, as well as imply a non-deterministic reality, the old Newtonian world-view of pure objectivity and determinism is still very much rooted in most of society’s thinking. There are many more such examples that can be given throughout history. Let me simply mention that until 1803, when their reality was finally conceded, meteorites were seen as a myth and superstition. “Stones cannot fall from the sky” – so all reports of such phenomena were viewed as delusions. In 1772 the prestigious French Academy of Science appointed a committee to investigate such claims of “falling rocks” and concluded that they could not be real. Its conclusions were so convincing that museums all over Western Europe threw away their meteorite specimens.
If morality, beliefs and science are insufficient in creating a template for what should be discussed and what should be censored away, then what should that template even be? Perhaps, just perhaps the censorship of any ideas may not be the best solution after all? Perhaps all ideas should remain on the table, free to be debated at will, while more and better information should be given instead of that which is blatantly false and divisive to be forcibly removed from the public's awareness.

Can One Stomp Out Dissent?

“To forbid us anything is to make us have a mind for it.”
― Michel de Montaigne, Montaigne: Essays
Conversely, does censorship even work in actually uprooting the ideas and beliefs of individuals and groups – or does it merely drive these ideas underground, into greater echo-chambers where further radicalization can occur?
An idea or belief can only survive as long as it is seen as logically correct, or if the emotions behind it are so strong as to keep it afloat (usually it is a bit of both, though feelings do seem to come over facts in modern discourse – sadly we are all to blame in this to some degree, even though many may claim otherwise, not realizing their own blind-spots).
Thus the only way to neutralize it is to dissolve the emotion behind it and/or refute its logical counter-part. Censorship, of course, does neither of the above. In fact, if an idea is censored and not refuted (especially when many have already taken it into their consciousness) and the emotional wounds behind it are not healed (if it is based on fear or anger), it is extremely likely to continue spreading in some way. Not only that, the desire for its believers to spread it will become far greater, and in their minds more justified, due to its censorship.
The mere move towards censoring an idea is something that can often make it more popular, in what can be described as the phenomenon of psychological reactance. For example ― in 2003, Barbra Streisand sued photographer Kenneth Adelman for taking a photograph of her Malibu mansion, citing violation of privacy as a reason. The photograph of her estate, which had been downloaded a mere few times from Adelman’s website before that, became so popular as the result of the well-publicized lawsuit that it was downloaded near half-a-million times in the following month. The social phenomenon of information spreading even more widely after its attempted censorship has thus been dubbed The Streisand Effect.
But of course, this phenomenon is nothing new and can be seen throughout history.
Did the vast persecution of Christians since Roman times and a desire to stop their religious expression stop Christianity as a whole? Did the censorship of literature related to male homosexuality and birth control in the 19th century (especially in Britain) cause “gayness” to die off, or the movement for its inclusion in society to cease? Did the censoring of such works as Ulysses, by James Joyce, Lady Chatterley’s Lover, by DH Lawrence, and Howl, by Allen Ginsberg, remove these books out of existence or did they perchance become bestsellers?
Censorship, in terms of its desire to control is similar to war – it comes with a desire to stomp out the opposition in the hopes that it can and will allow itself to be eliminated by force. But if the war on terror and the one on drugs have given such poor results, how on Earth can a war on specific forms of information ever hope to be a success (putting aside the question whether success in such a “war” should even be hoped for)? Information is much like water, or air, but even subtler than that. It is carried through our consciousness, our minds, and without controlling the inner world and will of all, the flow of ideas can never be truly ceased.
Perhaps the greatest thing that can be done, especially in the case of fear and hate based ideologies, is the promotion of emotional healing and alternative arguments that may give people a different perspective and allow them to step into “a new story”, as one of my favourite social philosophers, Charles Eisenstein, would say.

The Parallels Between Meditation and Free Speech

“As above, so below, as within, so without, as the universe, so the soul…”
― Hermes Trismegistus
As someone that has practiced meditation for many years now, I cannot help but see some very significant parallels between the suppression of thoughts, ideas (including corresponding emotions) on the level of the individual – and the suppression of those very same aspects on the societal and global scale.
In my experience, whenever something is suppressed in the human mind, pushed into the subconscious, it desires to rise up again into consciousness, where it will be acknowledged and integrated back into the psyche. Through meditative practice, emotions and thoughts are allowed to arise, be felt, observed and thus integrated. It is awareness that is the great healer, the great catalyst for change – and by relegating pain back to the unconscious, by suppressing it, as well as our desires and needs, our joys and fears, trials and tribulations, we will ensure that mental health, inner peace and happiness will always be out of reach.
Throughout my life I have noticed that what applies to the individual very often also applies to the collective. For what else is the collective than a group of individuals, a collective consciousness, a hive-mind that in many ways can be said to be an organism in and of itself?
If collectively, the thoughts, emotions and perspectives of individuals are suppressed and denied, if their ideas are censored out of existence, if they are not allowed to speak freely, the consequences to the health of the society that these individuals comprise will become nothing short of disastrous.
If they are on the other hand allowed to come into the light of awareness of the collective organism of humanity, healing and integration can begin, most often through healthy discourse and debate. Even the most wretched and hateful belief-systems, even the ideas that seem to fly in the face of all logic and reason (though many times, when facing some of these ideas, we see that perhaps our own logic and reason needs an update as well) can and must be brought to the attention of mass consciousness, in order for integration and healing (in the case of great fear and hate) to occur.
It is futile to believe that ideologies based on a lack of sensibility and empathy will simply disappear if we ignore them. This is mirrored in the belief that many people still have, where their own inner shadow or the aspects of themselves they have deemed unfitting or unworthy will simply vanish into thin air if they are never acknowledged. This will simply not occur, for it is impossible for healing to happen without awareness, it is impossible for change to happen without the light of consciousness, it is impossible for understanding to come without acknowledgment.
Through repression and suppression of people’s thoughts, opinions and emotions those very aspects begin to come up in other areas of individual and collective life – for what is suppressed will eventually come up into consciousness, whether through a verbalized opinion (perhaps the least problematic of all), an action, or ultimately on the most extreme collective scale – through war.
Thus the only way forward is to turn on the light and let the darkness be dissolved in its presence. As within, so without, as above so below – and if I might add, as in the individual, so in the collective.

The Discourse Deciders of the Information Age

“Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech.”
― Benjamin Franklin
It is now that the entirety of online discourse has been guided towards and centralized in a few mega-platforms, owned by enormous corporations and spear-headed by out of touch and often morally destitute billionaires. Google, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Reddit (some of these owned by the same company) are now the norm for searching, communicating, sharing, discussing and seeking out entertainment on the Web. On a myriad of devices, these websites are the default choice for many activities, often so integrated that they cannot even be removed (for example - on many new smartphones, various Google apps, as well as Facebook cannot be uninstalled), thus guiding especially new, and technically less savvy, users to being more inclined to use them.
Because everyone now uses these platforms, it is more likely that companies, political parties, or even individuals trying to speak their mind, will use them as well. Whether because of a desire to spread influence, sell a product or merely speak their mind, being on these platforms means more people will hear your voice and thus your reach will be far greater than elsewhere. Not to mention that most of these sites, through the immense profits they have accrued (mainly of course through the participation of the masses), have the ability to manage vast amounts of data and users, through expensive physical infrastructure and top software engineers, thus making their monopoly in the online world even fiercer. The idea that one can simply “create their own YouTube” is obviously an illusion, since the upkeep costs would be far beyond most people’s (or even companies’) reach.
These vast corporations and their respective platform hold an immense monopoly on Internet discourse – and through the power they hold, they have a massive say in what ideas, beliefs and perspectives, as well as which individuals discussing them are allowed in online discourse. And since online discourse now comprises the main aspect of mass human discussion and debate in general, these platforms have the power to shape and mold the minds of people, rivaled in their power perhaps only by television at the height of its influence.

Solutions to Combat Silencing

“Proclaim the truth and do not be silent through fear.”
― St. Catherine of Siena
So what should be done? I suggest the greatest antidote to censorship is speaking one’s mind fully and without fear. Only by being afraid of speaking up, only through fear of being “canceled” or viciously verbally assaulted (real possibilities, but still far lesser repercussions than those people faced in the past), can ideas and perspectives be silenced and allowed to fester in the individual and global subconscious.
If possible, try to be a good example when you do speak your mind. Educate yourself on the topics you are discussing, listen to other people and consider their opinions and perspectives, allow yourself to be aware of your emotional triggers, wounds and how they influence your thinking and reasoning.
If at all possible, consider engaging in a meditation practice – that alone will give you far greater clarity of mind, the ability to transcend emotional wounds that prevent insightful and unimpeded reasoning (including listening to others with an open-mind), as well as that crucial element that we should all be striving for in order to make our society better – compassion. In a way, clear and open communication naturally gives rise to compassion (and ultimately is a form of compassion), as you allow yourself to truly hear and know the other person’s perspective, thereby updating and clarifying your own.
It is clear, open communication and debate that we should all be striving for in order to make this society better, in order to dispel misinformation and hate, as well as to foster empathy for one another and our distinct perspectives that make life the cornucopia of diversity and uniqueness that it is.
This has also been posted here:
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Hi everyone, I have lurked here for a while but I wanted to see if anyone could give me any advice, since I have been feeling down and unsure of what to do, and didn't know where else to post this.
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(Quick intro/background) We are quite a weird couple. I am a non-Muslim guy from England and my girlfriend is a Muslim girl from Germany (her family is from Turkey). I have never been the biggest fan of Islam (or really any religion), but aside from the occasional joke/comment I've always tried to respect that she has her own beliefs and I have mine. I've also had plenty of Muslim friends in my life, one of my best friends was a guy who was a refugee from Afghanistan.
Things have obviously been difficult due to our differences, but we get on very well despite them, and I like her a lot. In fact, I thought it was a bonus that we both come from such different backgrounds, and I feel that she is a lovely person deep down. Since we've been together there have obviously been some issues: She frequently breaks down crying, saying that we'll never be together because I'm not Muslim, and "if only she was the Muslim guy and I was the girl", stuff like that. She gets mad at me if I drink alcohol, and even though she usually doesn't there was one time she got mad that I ordered a meal with pork in it at a restaurant. There have been times where we have had little arguments about things (e.g. circumcision, or me telling her to try to be more open minded, or the Cologne mass-rape situation that happened in Germany a while ago). Of course there are things she does that annoy me too. However, we always got over this stuff quickly and it didn't stop me from liking her, and vice versa. This changed a few days ago however.
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Out of nowhere I got a text from her recently, saying, "if you side with Macron we are done". I didn't do anything to provoke this (sometimes, to be honest, I do say stuff that I know will irritate her Muslim-side, but not this time). She just texted me it. She was with her parents and I assumed that she had been watching Turkish state news with her Turkish boomer parents.
I got annoyed. I ended up telling her (i'm sure you have all heard this before but here's what I said anyway) - I am 100% on Macron's side of this issue, that I thought it was great that a politician here finally said SOMETHING after one of these ever-frequent attacks. I told her I thought it was great that he had the offensive drawing projected onto the side of a building. I told her that this has been happening in Europe for 20 years now and that something needs to change, and that I think Islam needs to modernize otherwise it has no place here. I remember when a guy got beheaded in my country (UK) in the name of Islam, the 7/7 bombings, the Pakistani grooming gangs that the police wouldn't investigate, and so on and so on... and... I felt happy that a politician finally said something. I was so annoyed, that I said that if she was truly against Macron on this issue (and not just parroting her parents) then she is an idiot and shouldn't be living in Europe - because Europe today is about freedom and modern secular law, not following ancient Islamic (and, to be fair, Christian) blasphemy laws.
What really upset her I think is that I said that I believe Islam is fundamentally "radical" - I've seen way too many people (from celebrities, to country leaders, to idiots on Twitter) justifying these recent killings in the name of Islam. She got very upset at me, starting talking about video games and school shootings (does she think we're in the USA in 1999? :/)... and how Islam is, of course, a religion of peace and decency. We have continued to argue and she keeps saying that we might not have a future together. To be fair, I might think the same way if she truly means what she says - that France should not respond to or comment on WHATSOEVER these ever-frequent attacks. My girlfriend of 2 years now seems to think (even though I've never said ANYTHING like this) that I see her and her family and all of her friends as violent potential murderers. All I've said, after holding my thoughts to myself for a long time, is that I feel Islam has a problem and needs to change (or, have an enlightenment in the words of Macron) if it wants to exist in Europe. She has been incredibly upset at me and threatening to end our long relationship because of this.
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I don't know what to do anymore. I have really tried hard to "look past" her background and keep my opinions to myself from the beginning. I've definitely said "offensive" things in the past (I studied Arabic history at uni for a while, and made some rude comments about Mohammed... and shown her some memes from her... and so on) but a argument like this has never happened before. Now, whenever I try to talk to her she just goes back to telling me how wrong and hateful I am, and how we can't be together. She acts like I've called her, and her family, and all of her friends, terrorists.
She's known from the beginning I'm not a Muslim, but I've done a lot for her... every time she has cried because she feels guilty about being with me, I've hugged her and wiped her tears away. Every time she refuses to "sleep" with me I accept it and never threaten to break up with her or anything. Whenever she tells me we can't get married because I'm not from the right background, I try to stay positive. I try to drink less and rarely eat anything with pork in it when I am with her, I've tried to be kind, I've even gone to a Mosque with her (until we were going to get separated of course, lol) and I agreed to go to Turkey with her as a vacation despite what I think of the current situation there.
The only thing I have refused to do is pretend to convert to Islam for the sake of her family, and... now... well, keep my mouth shut I guess.
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I won't lie, I definitely have provoked her at times but I think we are great together - she is intelligent, sweet, cute and makes me laugh. Now though, with this recent argument (that's lasted like 4 freakin days) and her still refusing to talk to me normally, I am very worried for our future. I like her a lot but she can't seem to separate herself from "Islam" whenever I or anyone else talks about it. And the sad thing is, despite how offended and mad she gets at me, I don't think she's much of a Muslim at all - the only strictly Islamic thing I've seen her do is observe Ramadan; otherwise, she has a boyfriend (me), she hangs out with gay people, she lives quite a free Western life, and so on. It's not like I am dating a fundamentalist Saudi girl (not that that would even happen, but, you know).
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If anyone has any advice for me about what to do, or what to say, I would really appreciate it. I really just want to be able to defend what I think is right and (I hate to say it like this but don't know how else) "my" continent's values - I believe in freedom of expression and individual freedoms, but I just want the girl that I like back. We've never had anything like this before happen. I know this isn't /realtionships but I felt I would get more understanding here about this issue. Sometimes I feel like she is stuck in a weird cult, but sometimes I feel like I might be the asshole after all.
Oh, and I think there's a chance she might read this so - Hi. Sorry for writing about this here but IDK what else to do. I miss you

TLDR: I am non-Muslim white guy, have a Muslim girlfriend. She is very angry at me because I said I believe Islam has a problem and needs to modernise, after the recent attacks in France, which she got very upset about. She now thinks that I now hate all Muslims including her. She won't talk to me normally anymore.
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2020.10.28 15:29 cincbus Introducing: The Royal Family of Monaco

Prince Rainier III (1923-2005)
Rainier’s mother, Princess Charlotte, was actually illegitimate. Her father Louis II, getting older and with no legitimate children, legitimized her and made her his heir. She never took the throne, and in fact renounced her rights to her son, Rainier, the day before his 21st birthday.
Rainier became the Sovereign Prince of Monaco upon the death of his grandfather in 1949.
During WW2, Rainier served in the Free French Army. During the 40s and 50s he was in a long term relationship with the French film actress Gisele Pascal. Rainier’s sister, Princess Antoinette, wanted her own son to ascend to the throne, and spread rumors that Pascal was infertile. The rumors along with her treatment by the press and public ended their relationship.
After the war Monaco, a country who made its money primarily as a gambling origin, was in crisis as wealthy Europeans found their funds diminished after the war. To restore Monaco’s treasury Rainier decided to promote Monaco as a tax haven, and he personally took control of SBM (the company who owns the Monte Carlo Casino, Opera, and Hostel de Paris) in 1964. Prince Albert still retains a large share of the company and profits from it today.
Marriage:
Everyone knows this one. Rainier married American film star Grace Kelly in 1956.
Their marriage is rumored to have been turbulent. It is said that Grace struggled with adjusting to royal life, regretted ending her film career, and that Rainier had extramarital affairs. Her children have stated that though she was a loving mother, they spent more time with nannies than with their parents.
Grace's dress is iconic, but here you go if you want to revisit some photos from that day.
Rainier smoked up to 60 cigarettes per day, and in the last years of his life his health steadily declined. On March 8th, 2005 he entered the hospital for a lung infection and by the end of the month he was on a ventilator suffering from renal and heart failure. On March 31st he officially announced his son Albert, as regent, and on April 6th he died.
The Constitution
Monaco’s constitution stated that Monaco is a constitutional monarchy ruled by the hereditary princes of the Grimaldi. If the reigning prince were to die without leaving a male heir, Monaco, according to the treaty, would be incorporated into France. In 2002, realizing he had a 43 year old bachelor son, Rainier amended the constitution to allow the crown to pass to his daughters should Albert not marry.
Grace, Princess of Monaco (1929-1982)
Grace was born in Philadelphia to an affluent and influential family. Her father was an Olympian and a Democratic nominee for Mayor of Philadelphia and was appointed by President Roosevelt as National Director of Physical Fitness. Her mother taught physical education at the University of Pennsylvania and coached women’s athletics at Penn.
Her Uncle, George Kelly, was a Pulitzer prize winning dramatist, screenwriter, and director and used his influence to gain Grace admission to the American Academy of Dramatic Arts in New York. Grace became one of the biggest movie stars of her generation.
In 1955 she was sent to the Cannes Film Festival and invited to appear in photos with Prince Rainier. After a year-long courtship, they were married in 1956.
Grace was not allowed to continue her acting career after her marriage. She instead devoted herself to her role as Princess, become heavily involved with the Red Cross of Monaco and the Rainbow Children Coalition.
On September 13, 1982, Kelly was driving back to Monaco after spending time at her country home. During the drive she had a stroke, lost control of her vehicle, and drove off the mountainside. She died a day later.
An article on their relationship
Prince Albert II (b. 1958)
Prince Albert is one of the wealthiest royals in the world with a net worth at more than $1B. He attended Amherst College in Massachusetts, studying political science, economics, music, and English literature, and completed his education with a Bachelor of Arts degree in Political Science. He toured Europe in 1979 as part of the Amherst College Glee Club.
Albert competed in the bobsleigh for five consecutive Winter Olympics on behalf of Monaco, and was their flag bearer at the 1988, 1994, and 1998 Olympics. He is also a judo black belt.
He became Prince of Monaco when his father died in 2005.
Marriage:
Prior to his marriage his status as a bachelor was a hot topic of discussion. He was known to date well-known fashion models and actresses, however at age 53 had never married. It was rumored that Albert was gay, something he expressed great frustration with in the press. In 2006 he attended the opening ceremony of the Torino Olympics with South African swimmer Charlene Wittstock. They were engaged in 2010, and married in 2011.
There are rumors that Charlene tried to flee the country the day before their wedding. It is reported that the future bride, after discovering Albert may have fathered yet another child during their relationship, attempted to flee as many as three times before their wedding, however was always intercepted at the airport. It is also said she attempted to seek refuge at the South African embassy, and that officials in Monaco ended up hiding her passport so she could not leave the country.
Moreover, during their wedding, Charlene openly cried at parts, and Prince Albert was caught on camera begging her to kiss him. Honestly, she looked pretty miserable the whole time. The palace has denied all of these claims.
During their honeymoon, they stayed in separate hotels
Here's everything you ever needed to know about their wedding
Watch it
Prince Albert is passionate about the environment and an avid sportsman. Prince Albert speaks French, English, German, and Italian. He speaks English with basically no accent thanks to his American mother.
Illegitimate Children
In 2005, the day before Prince Rainier died, Albert publicly acknowledged he had fathered a son out of wedlock. In 2006, he confirmed he had also fathered a daughter. These children were barred from the line of inheritance because of a 2002 constitutional amendment requiring an heir’s parents to be married.
Alexandre (b. 2003)
Alexandre’s mother (Nicole Coste) was a flight attendant for Air France and met Prince Albert when he was a passenger on a flight. He asked for her number, the beginning of a years-long affair. The relationship ended at the insistence of Prince Rainier. Albert visited Alexandre and Nicole often, however when he refused to acknowledge Alexandre publicly, Nicole sold an interview and pictures to the media. Albert was in mourning for his father and made no public comment, but later did acknowledge paternity. Alexandre and Nicole live in France at an estate given to them by Albert.
Jazmin (b. 1992)
Jazmin’s mother, Tamara, met Albert while working as a waitress. Albert knew of Jazmin and visited her, however did not acknowledge her publicly until she was in high school to protect her identity. In 2006 the French magazine Voici published photographs of Jazmin and her mother on a visit to Monaco, outing her as Albert’s daughter. She has attended events with Albert and Charlene, and is listed as a sponsor for her father’s royal foundation.
An interview with Jazmin
Princess Charlene (b. 1978)
Born in Zimbabwe, Charlene’s family relocated to South Africa in 1989. She represented South Africa at the 2000 Sydney Olympics, finished fifth in the 4x100 meter relay.
Albert and Charlene met at the Mare Nostrum swimming competition in Monaco in 2000, however were not seen together until 2006.
Charlene converted to Roman Catholicism for her wedding, and has learned French and Monegasque after her move to Monaco. She is an ambassador for the Special Olympics, patron of the South African Red Cross, and is passionate about sport.
In recent news, she completed “the crossing” water bike challenge, a 180 kilometer water bike race for charity.
An interview with Charlene and Albert on the 1st birthday of their twins
Albert and Charlene have 2 children:
Hereditary Prince Jacques *twin* (b. 2014)
Princess Gabriella *twin* (b. 2014)
Gabriella was born 2 minutes before her brother, however because of the constitution her brother will inherit the throne. They are super sweet together and you see them at events often.
Princess Caroline of Hanover (b. 1957)
Caroline is the eldest child of Rainier and Grace Kelly, however because of the constitution her brother, Albert, sits on the throne of Monaco. She served as de facto first lady of Monaco until the marriage of Albert and Charlene.
Until the birth of her niece and nephew she was heir presumptive to the throne, although she had only held that title since 2005 after the change of the constitution to include female heirs.
Caroline received her French baccalaureat in 1974, and received a degree in Philosophy from Sorbonne University. She is fluent in French, English, Spanish, German, and Italian. Her hobbies include horseback riding, swimming, and skiing.
Marriages:
Married Phillippe, a Parisian banker, in 1978. The couple divorced in 1980 with no children.
Married Stefano in 1983, the sportsman heir to an Italian industrial fortune. The two had to marry in a civil ceremony rather than a religious ceremony because Caroline, a Catholic, was divorced. Caroline was 3 months pregnant at the time of their wedding.
They have three children:
  1. Andrea Casiraghi (1984)
  1. Charlotte Casiraghi (1986)
  1. Pierre Casiraghi (b. 1987)
Note: The Casiraghi’s are all very beautiful and very fashionable but I don’t want to go much into them here because they are so far down the line of succession. They’re fun to follow for their fashion if you have the time to check them out.
Married Ernst August, a Prince, in 1999. They have one daughter, Princess Alexandra.
Caroline is thus a Princess twice-over, through her family and through her husband. She and Ernst August have been separated since 2009 however are still legally married, thus she retains the title of Princess Caroline of Hanover.
Read about all of her weddings here
See her speaking in English around 12:00 here
Princess Stephanie (b. 1965)
Stephanie was in the vehicle with her mother when Grace died. She suffered a fracture of the neck.
She has studied classical dance and piano, and competed in gymnastics and horse riding. She interned at Christian Dior and debuted as a model in 1984. She has a swimwear and perfume line, and owns cafes and stores in both Monaco and Barcelona. She also has sold more than 2 million copies of her song, Ouragan, and sold 1.5M copies of her album Besoin. She recorded “In the Closet” with Michael Jackson, however is listed as “mystery girl” in the credits.
Marriages/Relationships:
Stephanie married her former body guard, Daniel Ducruet, in 1995. When Rainier learned of their relationship Daniel was not only still his employee, but had a pregnant girlfriend too. Stephanie gave birth to their two children “out of wedlock” because Rainier refused to grant permission for them to marry, however eventually relented. The two divorced a year later after Ducruet was photographed naked with a stripper.
Read more
They have two children:
  1. Louis (b. 1992)
  1. Pauline (b. 1994)

Stephanie and Jean never married, however have a child together. He was Rainier’s Head of Security. She did not identify him on the birth certificate and it was not confirmed that he was Camille’s father until she confirmed it herself on her Instagram.
More about Jean

Stephanie met elephant trainer (yeah, you read that right) when she presented him with the award for “best animal tamer” at the Monaco Circus Festival in 1997. Franco, a decade older than Stephanie, was married with two children at the time. Franco left his family for Stephanie, moving her and her three children into his circus caravan in Zurich. Marrying in 2001, their relationship lasted 18 months until their divorce.
An interview with Stephanie in English in 1990
Why is he a Prince and not a King?
From vogue:
It goes back deep into the history of Monaco. Monaco has always been a tiny nation, and, for protection, allied itself with (or, at some points, was flat-out annexed by) big powerful countries, with big powerful rulers—aka kingdoms, or, a nation ruled by a king or queen. So Monaco’s rulers styled themselves as prince and princess. That, by definition, made the nation a principality, or one ruled by prince or princess.
Regardless, Albert actually plays a bigger role in the day to day operations of the country than most of his European peers. Legislative power is divided between the Prince who initiates the laws, and the National Council who votes on them. Executive power is retained by the Prince, and he has full judiciary powers.
Jewels
See their tiara collection
I think the Ocean Tiara, gifted to Charlene for her wedding, is particularly interesting. You either love it or you hate it.
The Grimaldi Curse
What do you think?
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2020.10.23 01:58 Vwar Feminism is the religion of the modern day "left," and that is very, very unfortunate

[this ended up being a long post, but what the hell, I had a few minutes to spare, and maybe some of you will find it of interest]
I remember reading an essay by Adolph Reed in which he singled out "intersectionality" as the core belief system of identitarians. This was several years ago and it was the first time I had come across his work. I don't remember which essay it was (I think it was published in The Nation), but I observed at the time that even this bold iconoclast didn't dare mention the "f" word: Feminism.
Intersectionality is an attempt by feminists to cast themselves as kindred spirits with other "oppressed groups." They will acknowledge their "white privilege" so long as they get to keep their victim status as women. From their alleged oppression comes their power. This paradox was noted by the feminist-cum-MRA Warren Farrell: “Men’s greatest weakness is their facade of strength, and women’s greatest strength is their facade of weakness.” Feminism exploits this tendency rather than challenging it; you could even argue that it is the entire basis of their movement: the female is a perpetual damsel in distress, always in danger, always in need of more help by men. Men in power like being chivalrous, so they support feminism. What feminists call "benevolent sexism" is therefore the entire reason they exist. It is their raison d'extra.
Under intersectionality the "straight white male" must be the villain of the tale, because most people in power are straight white males. It's all very peculiar, because feminists are perfectly happy to date and marry this villain, and if we're being honest they would actually much prefer to date and marry the villain than the underdog. Gloria Steinem dated Henry Kissinger, no less, though that becomes less eyebrow-raising when you realize she was working for the Central Intelligence Agency at the time.
The "white male privilege" trope has been rendered absurd in the UK, where a recent equality report found that "white boys" now get the "worst start in life." Thus white males simultaneously occupy the highest and lowest rungs of society. Intersectionalists in the UK have proven themselves unable to accommodate this new reality. They haven't adjusted their pie charts, they haven't rearranged the progressive stack; no indeed, last week it was announced that white male privilege theory will now be taught in British schools. So you have one of the apparently least privileged groups being told that they are the most privileged group. What could go wrong? I wonder if any right-wingers are recruiting? This inability to acknowledge reality is a recurring theme in the history of feminism, as it is in all religions, more on that in a moment.
The relative timidity shown by Reed in criticizing feminism as a doctrine is apparent on the left as whole. There must be a qualifier. So we hear about "bourgeois feminism," or "carceral feminism," or "white feminism" etc. This is of course understandable: if you think feminism = women's rights then of course you are going to support it. The problem is that there is an iceberg beneath the tip; feminism is an ideology and a (very, very powerful) movement, it cannot be reduced simply to "women's rights."
The World Socialist Website has been far more daring in their critiques of "modern feminism" than virtually any other leftist website (eg they harshly criticized the MeToo movement), but they too will not challenge the underlying thesis of feminism itself: that men have spent all of history trying to oppress their own mothers and daughters. Feminist doctrine is fundamentally absurd, yet this bizarre hypothesis has become the religion of the modern day left. Go criticize feminism on Communism or Socialism or Anarchism and see if you won't be banned (I'm curious to see what kind of response this post gets here. Is feminism the one form of identity politics that must remain sacrosanct?)
It wasn't always this way. The first major critiques of feminism were actually written by a Marxist -- Earnest Belfort Bax. He wrote two major works on the subject in the early 20th century: The Fraud of Feminism and The Legal Subjugation of Men. One of his main complaints was that feminists simultaneously demanded "equality" and chivalry:
“Chivalry, as understood by Modern Sentimental Feminism, means unlimited licence for women in their relations with men, and unlimited coercion for men in their relations with women. To men all duties and no rights, to women all rights and no duties, is the basic principle underlying Modern Feminism, Suffragism, and the bastard chivalry it is so fond of invoking. The most insistent female shrieker for equality between the sexes among Political Feminists, it is interesting to observe, will, in most cases, on occasion be found an equally insistent advocate of the claims of Sentimental Feminism, based on modern metamorphosed notions of chivalry.
Sound familiar?
[Here it is worth noting a fascinating study which found that both men and women view equal treatment of women as a form of "hostile sexism"; chivalry is the mainstay, and any departure from that is viewed as misogyny]
Intriguingly, Bax's works are nowhere to be found on Wikipedia's "anti-feminism" page, nor is GK Chesterton's brilliant critique of feminism in "What's wrong with the world?" This is because feminists have associated themselves with the left, even though they have no business here.
Chesterton summed up first wave feminists as follows:
“It [feminism] is mixed up with a muddled idea that women are free when they serve their employers but slaves when they help their husbands.”
The great labor organizer Mother Jones expressed similar sentiments. Indeed, take any socialist from the early 20th century and they would be immediately de-platformed if they were scheduled for a lecture in the here and now. Another great labor organizer, Elizabeth Gurly Flynn of the Wobblies, wrote that "society moves in grooves of class, not sex." Such an hypothesis would be considered downright heretical in modern leftist circles. It flies in the face of intersectionality. The current consensus was summed up by a speaker at a gay conference in the 1970's headlined "Dangerous Trends in Feminism":
According to this ideology, the most basic division in society is not between class and class, but between male and female; distinctions according to gender are seen as far more important than distinctions based on wealth and power. According to this ideology, there is a hierarchy of oppression, with the oppression of women being the worst of all. It is an oppression so profound, so mysterious, and so ineffable, that it cannot even be described in concrete terms, as might other, lesser forms of oppression.
This is all very convenient for the ruling class, I must say. Feminism is next-level divide and conquer: split the working class straight down the middle.
The deranged worldview of feminism is now taken for granted. Boys and girls are taught in school that men have oppressed women since time immemorial, and continue to do so; thus males are reduced to an "oppressor class" and basically a race of psychopaths. People are being fired for criticizing Black Lives Matter, but when a gender studies professor wrote an op-ed for the Washington Post titled "Why Can't we Hate Men?", she didn't even receive a reprimand from her University. Such is the state of things.
It would help a great deal if feminism wasn't so totally loopy. It is though. Gender Studies was founded by a woman (Sally Miller Gearhart) who believed that males should be reduced to ten percent of the population. She got the idea from breeding stallions. So it was batshit from the start. Finally, decades later, a couple of academics in Sweden decided to look at what these crazy broads were teaching their students. They starting by noting the common critique of the "discipline":
The core of the criticism reviewed above is that Gender studies has a political, activist agenda, dourly subscribes to certain theories in the face of opposing facts, and mixes scholarship and ideology (e.g., Popova 2005; Sokal 2006).
...And they found that yes, the common criticism is entirely correct, indeed alarmingly so; indeed they noted:
...As exemplified by the Neutral group in the present sample, there is a huge literature that explores causes for sex differences amongst endocrinological, neurodevelopmental, and genetic factors....It is reasonable to assume that these theoretical perspectives, by and large, explain a substantial proportion of the variance related to group or individual differences, otherwise would these approaches have waned for lack of empirical support. It is therefore notable that such factors are only mentioned five times in all 24 articles with some level of gender perspective, as compared to 33 times in the 12 Neutral articles. The probability of mentioning such a factor is thus 13 times smaller when a gender perspective is applied. This would not be all that remarkable if Gender studies, with its heritage from the social sciences and humanities, were compared with the natural sciences and medicine. It seems quite remarkable when compared with other social sciences, however, which are nominally equally unconcerned with biological and genetic explanatory models. It seems therefore recommendable that gender scholars and other interested parties consider and examine whether Gender studies might be prey to selective accounts of reality on the basis of ideological preferences.
Let's put this in normal speak: Gender studies is horseshit.
One of the most interesting things about feminist theory is its ability not only to be wrong about nearly everything but be counter-predictive. I'll give you an example.
Feminists oscillate back and forth between the "blank slate" theory of human nature and the "women are superior" theory of human nature. It depends on context. Sometimes they will state their supremacist views outright, as did the founder of the feminist movement in the US, Elizabeth Cady Stanton: women are "infinitely superior to men." Germaine Greer, one of the two or three most influential second-wave feminists, said something similar: males are the product of a "damaged gene." More often however they will say that the sexes are identical except for genitalia and physical strength; though this take becomes very muted indeed when women or girls are ahead in some area. Thus when challenged with the fact that boys are falling way behind in school, feminists will not argue for structural changes; instead they will insist that the impetus is on the boys to change their behavior. The fault cannot possibly lie with the (mostly female) teachers, and in any case females have no agency (they are merely oppressed), so how could they possibly inflict harm? If they do it can't possibly be their fault, it must be the fault of some man somewhere. Or let's look at the criminal justice system: the "gender sentencing gap" is six times larger than the racial sentencing gap. This is to say that a black man, on average, will be sentenced to ten percent longer in prison than a white man; yet a man, on average, will be sentenced to sixty percent longer than a woman. Bring this up to a feminist and they will simply state that "men are more likely to be criminals." Thus they retreat to biological determinism when it suits them.
(in other fun news from the UK: feminists are trying to make "misogyny" a "hate crime"; however in typical feminist fashion they are trying not to make misandry a hate crime. It's understandable: if misandry became a hate crime in the UK you'd have to arrest literally all of the gender studies professors and half of the staff at The Guardian).
[Here I will quote Bob Black, who in the 80's wrote an essay called Feminism as Fascism: "self-styled radical feminists actually reduce women to nothing but helpless, cringing near-vegetables, passive victims of male contempt and coercion. This profoundly insults women in a way which the worst patriarchal ideologies — the Jewish notion of woman as a source of pollution, for instance, or the Christian nightmare of woman as temptress and uncontrollable sexual nature-force — fell short of. They defamed woman as evil but could hardly regard her as powerless. The new woman-as-victim stereotype is not only directly traceable to nineteenth century Victorian patriarchal attitudes reducing (bourgeois) women to inert ornaments, but by denying to women the creative power inherent in everyone, it places women’s demands on a par with those advanced for, say, baby seals."
[The Marxist Mary Beard had a similar complaint. She was so annoyed by the feminist tendency to paint women as hapless victims that she ended up writing a whole book about it: Women as a Force in History. She found that most feminist theory is rooted in myth: the claims that women "couldn't own property" or "weren't allowed to work" or were treated as mere "property" were all totally bunk. Most of these myths -- which are widely believed to this day -- can be traced to the work of one William Blackstone, an Englishman, who made them all up in order to make England appear enlightened compared to the "savage past." She concluded:
Since such were the rights of women in Equity as things stood in 1836, fortified by a long line of precedents stretching back through the centuries, it seems perfectly plain that the dogma of woman’s complete historic subjection to man must be rated as one of the most fantastic myths ever created by the human mind.]
Anyway, getting back to the fact that feminism is counter-predictive, let's take a look at the subject of gender roles. When convenient, feminists argue that the sexes are identical, and everything comes back to nurture. Thus if there isn't a fifty-fifty split in STEM fields that must be because women are being oppressed in some fashion. As it turns out, however, the highly "patriarchal" country of Iran has a significantly higher percentage of female engineers than Norway. How could this be? It comes down to choice. The more choice women have, the less likely they are to pursue certain fields such as engineering.
The Israeli Kibbutz provides the most striking example of the failure of feminist doctrine. As most of you are aware, the Kibbutz started out as an anarchistic society; one of their ideas was that there would be no enforced gender roles. Children would be raised more or less equally and could do as they please. Well in what should have caused a major upset in the feminist community, the Kibbutz became one of the most traditionalist societies in the world. Turns out that most women simply preferred to work in the home rather than go out and do labor, and most men preferred to do labor than work in the home. Just to be clear, I'm not suggesting that people should be forced into such roles, I'm merely suggesting that gender roles evolved for a reason.
It is apparently much more palatable for the average person to believe that "Men oppressed women through all of teh history!!" than to suggest that the sexes are, on average, different, and that this can lead to differential outcomes. The problem with acknowledging difference is that you may well conclude that, on average, women are better at some things, and men are better at some things (again, on average). Tell a feminist that women are better at discerning colors, as they are, and they will say, "huh, that's interesting." Tell a feminist that men are better at creating large organizations and the steam will begin to flow from their ears. Consider the hypothesis of Roy Baumeister, author of the provocatively titled "Is There Anything Good About Men?: How Cultures Flourish by Exploiting Men." He argues:
The notion that women were deliberately oppressed by being excluded from these institutions requires an artful, selective, and motivated way of looking at them. Even today, the women’s movement has been a story of women demanding places and preferential treatment in the organizational and institutional structures that men create, rather than women creating organizations and institutions themselves. Almost certainly, this reflects one of the basic motivational differences between men and women, which is that female sociality is focused heavily on one-to-one relationships, whereas male sociality extends to larger groups networks of shallower relationships (e.g., Baumeister and Sommer 1997; Baumeister 2010). Crudely put, women hardly ever create large organizations or social systems. That fact can explain most of the history of gender relations, in which the gender near equality of prehistorical societies was gradually replaced by progressive inequality—not because men banded together to oppress women, but because cultural progress arose from the men’s sphere with its large networks of shallow relationships, while the women’s sphere remained stagnant because its social structure emphasized intense one-to-one relationships to the near exclusion of all else (see Baumeister2010). All over the world and throughout history (and prehistory), the contribution of large groups of women to cultural progress has been vanishingly small.
That seems to me a perfectly reasonable explanation -- it's certainly more logical than the "men tried to brutalize their own mothers and daughters" theory -- but we simply cannot abide it because it suggests that men are necessary. Because we are so profoundly concerned about the well being of women, men would rather paint themselves as oppressors than acknowledge the truth: that men may, on average, be better at some stuff (just as women are, on average, better at some stuff). And thus we have erected this monstrous edifice known as feminism.
There is a saying, I think it's from Nigeria, that if you don't welcome young men into the village they will come back and burn it down. I think feminism and the profound injustices it entails is an overlooked factor in the growth of the far right. And really, no civilization or culture is going to survive if they attack their boys. That's what we're doing. It is shameful. It is despicable. It is clearly supported by the ruling class. It is now a billion dollar industry. Feminists have successfully colonized the left. If you're a leftist, you must believe in the feminist church. If you don't believe in intersectionality you must be a racist or a sexist. Oh yeah, and if you're a white male, shut the fuck up. Know your place.
Feminism drives men to the far right. It's about time that the left had a reckoning on this issue. I don't consider myself an "MRA" because I have not and don't intend to engage in gender activism on behalf of men and boys. It seems like an uphill battle, to put it mildly, and I think socialism would solve most of the solvable problems affecting men and boys. Having said that, MRA's are one of the few identity groups that should be supported. It is simply a fact that men have fewer rights than women, and that men and boys suffer huge institutional discrimination. But it goes against our biological instincts to admit as much -- men will happily fight and die on behalf of some other group or cause, or sometimes even as a class, and preferably to protect women and children, but it goes completely against our gender role and indeed our instincts to evince vulnerability (males literally have differently shaped tear ducts than women, making it more difficult for them to cry). That's why MRA's are scorned.
And that's why feminism is funded by the likes of JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs while MRA's meet in broken down buildings. Well that and the fact that feminism is the ultimate divide and conquer mechanism. We would do well to remember that the sexes are symbiotic: anything that harms women will ultimately harm men, and anything that harms men will ultimately harm women.
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2020.10.10 23:40 WhyisChapter24Track9 Tips on how to come out to my (christian, conservative) parents?

I'm a 20 year old AMAB nonbinary person in the UK. I came out to my brothers, both of whom are Christian, a few weeks ago and they were both supportive. I want to come out to my parents too now, but I'm a lot less sure about how they'll respond. They're both overtly homophobic (complaining when there's a gay couple on TV etc) but I came out to them as bi when I was 17 and they responded along the lines of "We don't agree but you are free to make your own choices regarding who you date" sort of thing, so I while I'm worried they won't be supportive, I'm pretty confident their reaction won't be violently negative (e.g. cutting contact with me, or stopping their financial support for uni).
I want to come out because I want to be closer to them and I think the only real way for me to do that is to actually be honest with them and to be myself around them. I'm aware that it might backfire, but I think it's a risk I'm willing to take. In a way, if they support me, I can truly grow closer to them and if they don't support me, I'll know that the distance between us (emotionally, I mean) is kinda.. for the best. What I'm trying to say is that if I don't come out to them, I'll never be able to be closer to my parents, and if they don't support me, I'll be able to live with the comfort of knowing that I tried to be myself with them and they didn't want that person. It's almost like an ultimatum, I guess. Which seems kinda weird and sorta rough... but I really think it's for the best.
Anyway, any advice on how to come out to them would be extremely helpful.
Thanks a bunch :)
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2020.10.08 12:23 custardandcrumble Brutally coming out of the FOG with my own Mother.

I (29F) finally realised that I have a toxic Mother and that I have been in a Golden Child FOG. Short Bakcground: I'm a missionary kid and lived all over as a child. I grew up in a strict Adventist family and as a Pastors kid I grew up living with the pressures of always being in a family that had to look perfect to the other church families. I had a happy childhood for the most part - perhaps more so because my brother(30M) was the 'troublemaker'.. in that he pushed the boundaries being set for us. The more he pushed the more I chose to confirm (which I now see how detrimental that was for me). Things came to a head when my parents found out my brother was gay (around 13 years ago) and he up and left for University. My mother was so distraught because what would people think at church of the Pastors son being gay!? She needed to go to counselling which opened up a whole load of other issues she needed to deal with. He's never come back and has them on very LC. He always said I had it so much easier than him, that I could do no wrong and I couldn't understand it. There were a few years when me and my brother were distant from each other but over the last few years our relationship has been good and we talk regularly and even see each other more than the token family Christmas each year.

Queue GC FOG liberation: Back in March I got booked off work for stress and went to stay with my parents (as I was single and living alone) which ended up being for over 6 weeks. During this time I realised the biggest issue was that I wasn't happy, I was living to fulfil all these expectations for people (i.e. my parents, the church, church rules) and it was making me miserable. At the end of the 6 weeks I met someone online and we hit it off. I felt ready to go home but knowing how clingy my mother was I opted to just tell her I was ready to go home in a few days. Of course they noted I was talking to someone.
All was fine, I've officially been dating this wonderful guy for 4 months and it's honestly been the happiest I have been in a long time if not ever. Now a few things to note, I have never dated anyone seriously, my education was always the most important and as a younger person I very much conformed to the whole no dating outside of church and just keeping my parents happy. This guy is not in church and has tattoos. He's a foreigner like me but his english isn't perfect. None of these things bother me. We stay over regularly at each others houses and well I finally decided I was ready to have sex as well (which is again a no-no before marriage in our church). My parents met him two weeks ago and they thought he was a nice young man. All until I let slip in conversation last week that I was staying at his house....
It started with a private text my mother sent saying I was disappointing her. When I asked why? She didn't respond. Two days later I receive the most hurtful and toxic email I have ever received in my life. How if her mother said she was disappointed she wouldn't answer by text. But it must be a millenial thing. How my behaviour has changed starting from when I got my cartilage pierced at the start of the year. How my BF is lovely and there is nothing wrong with him but why can't we just be friends? If I am using him for relationship experience then I am terrible because of course I can't be thinking of marrying outside the church but if I am the bible says I must not be yoked with an unbeliever. How his english isn't good and that means he won't get anywhere because the UK is discriminatory and that he also doesn't match up to me intellectually. He's very childlike and naive. (Firstly, he is already a manager where he works, he earns more than my father, and he's just super easy going, he already has a house built where he's from and he grew up without a dad so he had to be the man around the house)

She then proceeded to spew more bible things at me and how I should be looking at my relationship with God, and that I used to judge other girl friends for being intimate with their boyfriends and that I was placing myself in a vulnerable position to be staying at my bf's house. Of course 'how would it look to other people'? That I used to pride myself in having a good relationship with my parents but that I don't anymore. That I never come see them once a month or call her all the time. Last but not least, that as this is a private matter, I shouldn't discuss it with anyone else except her, my father or God.... Being judgemental has always been one of my flaws, and I have grown to know that I need to let other people live their lives as a Christian shouldn't we be loving and compassionate?. Strict Christians have this issue where they can think they are so much better than others that they are judgemental and hurtful and still think they are right, I would like to think I am not like that anymore but clearly my mother who is a Pastors wife and has as little contact with 'the world' as possible knows how to be the best Christian. So .. of course I'm not visiting because we are in a frikking pandemic! and I don't call as often because mostly I'm sitting at home and there is nothing new to talk about plus I'm spending time with my BF so having random chats when I'm bored is no longer necessary. Mind you, when was the last time she ever phoned me or got in her car to come visit me on her own?

Thankfully I was on the phone with my brother when I read this, I read it out loud, I was sobbing, at the hurtful words. Mostly because I finally realised how toxic my relationship with and my mother is. And also because I finally understood what my brother went through all these years but chose not to share with me. I didn't respond to her email. I don't need to explain myself. She texted me a few days ago to ask me if I got it and I just said yes I did and I read it. No more. Everyones talking in the family group chat like nothing is going on... guess this might be swept under the rug for the time being like everything else but as I look back over the past years I can suddenly start identifying more JustNo behaviour that I was so oblivious to.

Not sure where this leaves me, at the moment I don't want to talk to her. Not sure if it's a bit knee jerk to go LC like my brother. She'd see it as proving that I am now also 'lost' when for the first time in my life I am happy and living guilt-free not caring about what others want for me. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to leave my faith behind, but now I'm just finally living it how I believe it should be.
My dear Dad is just as gracious and quiet as ever. If he thinks the same I haven't heard much except a bible devotional he sent about how we all matter to God. He won't give an opinion unless you wrestle it from him. Makes me wonder if the things she wrote about him feeling 'this' way was just to play on my emotions? Advice, similar experiences welcomed.
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2020.09.30 13:13 User18940505 An exhaustive list of intriguing and unsolved disappearances

So I’m back!
I just finished editing my previous post, adding those which you guys suggested and removing those that seem to have been solved. This will most likely be the case here, as my research is not wholly up to date.
This is a bit of a broader topic, since a disappearance does not necessarily allude to a crime. As far as I am aware, the majority of these cases have suspicious circumstances.
Hope you find this interesting! Like the previous post, a lot of these cases are in chronological order, but not all. They are accurately categorised into their respective decades, however.
Before 1800s
Romulus
Alexander Helios and Ptolemy Philadelphus
Legio IX Hispana
Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah
Renier of Montferrat
Gearóid Iarla
Jianwen Emperor
Owain Glyndŵr
Constantine XI Palaiologos
François Villon
The Princes in the Tower
Lord Lovell
David Thompson
Erdeni Bumba
René Menard
Laurens de Graaf
Khe Pandjang
James Harrod
1800-1899
James Derham
Benjamin Bathurst
William Morgan
John Lansing Jr.
William Hare
Joseph Gellibrand
Henry Bryan
Charles Christian Dutton
Sequoyah
William Overton
Khachatur Abovian
Ludwig Leichhardt
Sándor Petőfi
Matias Perez
Solomon Northup
Nana Sahib
Captain James William Boyd
Agoston Haraszthy
John V. Creely
Charley Ross
William Cantelo
Jesse Evans
David Mather
Henry Boynton Clitz
Louis Le Prince
Hermann Fol
Frank Lenz
Albert Jennings and Henry Fountain
1900s
The Eilean Mor Lighthouse Keepers
Yda Hillis Addis
Eduard von Toll
Joseph Kelly
1910s
Bobby Dunbar
The U.S.S. Cyclops
Rudolf Diesel
Arthur Cravan
Ambrose Bierce
Dorothy Arnold
Sebastiano DiGaetano
F. Lewis Clark
František Gellner
Alejandro Bello Silva
Knud Andersen
Mansell Richard James
Ambrose Small
1920s
Homer Lemay
Clayton Kratz
Victor Grayson
Alejandro Carrascosa
Andrew Irvine
Liu Menggeng
Percy Fawcett
Sidney Reilly
Alice Corbett
Frederick McDonald
Marvin Clark
Charles Nungesser and François Coli
Włodzimierz Zagórski
Paul Redfern
Walter Collins
Glen and Bessie Hyde
Joe Porrazzo
Frank Baumgarteker
1930s
Everett Ruess
Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan
Joseph Force Crater
Tony Buccola
Mary Agnes Moroney
Joseph Neuman
Raymond Nugent
Joseph Ardizzone
Jack Black
Julien Torma
C.B. Johnston
Wallace Fard Muhammad
Etta Riel
Li Yuan
Jean Mermoz
Juliet Stuart Poyntz
Andrew Carnegie Whitfield
Willie McLean
Alfred Beilhartz
Barbara Newhall Follett
Lloyd L. Gaines
Rita Gorgonowa
Marjorie West
1940s
The Sodder Children
Heinrich Müller
Jean Spangler
Glenn Miller
Thomas C. Latimore
Jaan Tõnisson
Alter Rotmann
Dan Billany
Abraham Gancwajch
Endre Rudnyánszky
Moriz Seeler
Herschel Grynszpan
Rocco Perri
Sheila Fox
Johan Pitka
Gertrude Tompkins Silver
Erna Petermann
Karla Mayer
Raoul Wallenberg
Constanze Manziarly
Hildegard Neumann
Supriyadi
Genrikh Lyushkov
Alfred Partikel
Johnny Jebsen
Paula Jean Welden
Daniel S. Voorhees
Joan Gay Croft
Lai Teck
Virginia Carpenter
Dorothy Forstein
Francis Hong Yong-ho
1950s
Richard Colvin Cox
Lionel Crabb
Lawrence Joseph Bader
Vincent Mangano
Beverly Potts
Rudolf Mildner
Henry Borynski
Evelyn Hartley
Felix Moncla and Robert Wilson
Stanley Mathenge
Herman Schultheis
Weldon Kees
Steven Damman
Bob Lymburne
The Martin Family
Mary Flanagan
1960s
The Beaumont Children
Jim Thompson
Harold Holt
John Anglin, Clarence Anglin and Frank Morris
Masanobu Tsuji
Ann Marie Burr
Joan Risch
Michael Rockefeller
Archie E. Mitchell and Eleanor Ardel Vietti
Sam Sary
Anthony Strollo
Charles Clifford Ogle
Mehdi Ben Barka
Charles Rogers
Kim Bong-han
Susan Pearson
Wikana
Ann Miller, Patricia Blough and Renee Bruhl
Chu Anping
James P. Brady and Abraham Halkett
John Lake
Eugene DeBruin
Fred Donald Miller
April Fabb
Dennis Martin
Patricia Spencer and Pamela Hobley
1970s
Jimmy Hoffa
D.B. Cooper
Frederick Valentich
Brad Bishop
Jim Sullivan
Etan Kalil Patz
Akpan Utuk
Cheryl Grimmer
Dana Stone
Edward and Stephania Andrews
Mauro De Mauro
Helen Claire Frost
Robin Graham
Jean Virginia Sampare
Lynne Schulze
Adrien McNaughton
Nick Begich and Hale Boggs
Ray Robinson
Joanne Ratcliffe and Kirste Gordon
Guðmundur and Geirfinnur Einarsson
Oscar Zeta Acosta
Pavlos Kouroupis
Connie Converse
The Fort Worth Missing Trio
Joanne Elaine Coughlin
Mona Blades
Juanita Nielsen
Eloise Worledge
Sandy Davidson
Andy Puglisi
Renee and Andrew MacRae
Helen Brach
Mary Boyle
Don Taxay
Peter Winston
John Brisker
Trudie Adams
Genette Tate
Christie Farni
Harry Domela
Jim Robinson
J.C.P. Williams
Martin Allen
1980s
Anthonette Cayedito
Kimberly Moreau
Johnny Gosch
Randy Wayne Leach
Tara Calico
Stacey Arras
John Patrick Kerrigan
Cherrie Mahan
Louise and Charmian Faulkner
Laureen Rahn
Peng Jiamu
Alan Addis
Thomas A. Mutch
Johan Asplund
Alaide Foppa
Katrice Lee
George Washington Hughes
Lynette Dawson
Kathleen McCormack Durst
Ahmad Motevaselian
Stephen Pearsall
Tony Jones
Upali Wijewardene
Ludovic Janvier
Mirella Gregori
Ann Gotlib
Emanuela Orlandi
Nyleen Kay Marshall
Tammy Lynn Leppert
Kirsa Jensen
George Cogar
Naomi Uemura
Tammy Belanger
Ronald Jorgenson
Boris Weisfeiler
Cherrie Mahan
Vladimir Alexandrov
Andrew Fluegelman
Diane Suzuki
Cotah Ramaswami
Martha Jean Lambert
Madame Max Adolphe
Agustín Feced
Suzy Lamplugh
Jeremy Bright
Philip Cairns
Simon Parkes
Federico Caffè
Julie Weflen
Susan Smalley and Stacie Madison
Ron Arad
Antonio Bardellino
Amber Swartz-Garcia
Lee Boxell
Michaela Garecht
Tiffany Sessions
Patricia Meehan
Charles Horvath-Allan
Reino Gikman
Melanie Melanson
Alois Brunner
1990s
Amy Lynn Bradley
Jared Negrete
The Death Valley Germans
Monique Daniels
Ashley Freeman and Lauria Bible
Diane Augat
Pedro Alonso López
Nicholas Barclay
Richey Edwards
The Springfield Three
Amy Wroe Bechtel
Ames Glover
Dannette and Jeanette Millbrook
Teddy Wang
Christopher Kerze
Paige Renkoski
Trevaline Evans
Sarah MacDiarmid
Eugene John Hebert
Mahmoud Mahmoud Atta
Licorice McKechnie
Thomas Gibson
Michael Dunahee
Tanong Po-arn
Ben Needham
Kelly Dae Wilson
Virginia Guerrero and Manuela Torres
Leigh Occhi
Jarosław Ziętara
Taif Ajba
Annie McCarrick
Wopko Jensma
Katheryne Eggleston
Sara Anne Wood
Ylenia Carrisi
Cleashindra Hall
Sukhwinder Singh Bhatti
Ernst Priesner
Abani Chakraborty
Jacobo Grinberg
Dor Bahadur Bista
Fred Cuny
Gedhun Choekyi Nyima
Morgan Nick
Jodi Huisentruit
Erin Marie Gilbert
Yolanda Panek
Andrew Shumack
Ruth Wilson
Kristin Smart
Ruslan Labazanov
Susan Walsh
Damien Nettles
Adam, Trevor and Mitchell O’Brien
Patrick Warren and David Spencer
Kristen Modafferi
Don Lewis
Guy Hever
Sabrina Aisenberg
Widji Thukul
Suzanne Lyall
Rui Pedro Teixeira Mendonça
Gilbert Wynter
Deirdre Jacob
Pirouz Davani
Joan Lawrence
Derrick Engebretson
Angelo Cruz
Paul Skiba, Sarah Skiba and Lorenzo Chivers
Kevin Palmer
Yury Zacharanka
Yves, Marie-France, Marius and Camille Godard
Viktar Hanchar and Anatoly Krasouski
Raisa Räisänen
Marat Manafov
Julie Surprenant
Michael Negrete
2000s
Brian Shaffer
Asha Degree
Andrew Gosden
Michele Miscavige
Zebb Quinn
Trevor Deely
Jennifer Kesse
Brandon Swanson
Maura Murray
Ray Gricar
Jim Gray
Sneha Ann Philip
Terrance Williams and Felipe Santos
Mitrice Robinson
Leah Roberts
Joseph Kibweteere
Bruno Manser
Dzmitry Zavadski
Zelimkhan Murdalov
Rilya Wilson
Branson Perry
Jason Jolkowski
The Gill Family
Marita Verón
Saeed Zeinali
Tabitha Tuders
Ben Charles Padilla
Ali Astamirov
Reda Helal
Kirk von Ackermann
Charlene Downes
Tariq Mahmood
Somchai Neelapaijit
Brianna Maitland
Guy-André Kieffer
Mohammed Al Afghani
Tamra Jewel Keepness
David Louis Sneddon
Joanna Cipriano
Iraena Asher
Danielle Imbo and Richard Petrone Jr.
Alfredo Jiménez Mota
Rahul Raju
Natalee Holloway
Tara Grinstead
Rahma el-Dennaoui
Joe Pichler
Jessie Foster
Sherlyn Cadapan and Karen Empeño
Ebrima Manneh
Thiruchelvam Nihal Jim Brown
Anthony Zizzo
Jorge Julio López
Oralgaisha Omarshanova
Robert Levinson
Lisa Stebic
Madeleine McCann
Ashley Summers
Lovinsky Pierre-Antoine
Elodia Ghinescu
Stacy Ann Peterson
Aeryn Gillern
Amy Fitzpatrick
Marilyn Bergeron
Jamie Fraley
Alex Sloley
Claudia Lawrence
Brittanee Drexel
Craig Arnold
Marsha Brantley
Paul Tseng
Toni Sharpless
Steven Koecher
2010s
The McStay Family
Lars Mittank
Kyron Horman
Kenny Veach
Lauren Spierer
Ben McDaniel
Bryce Laspisa
The MH370 Aircraft
Ayla Reynolds
Rico Harris
Phoenix Coldon
Russell Bohling
Paolo Renda
Vasyl Klymentyev
Forrest Schab
Alessia and Livia Schepp
Bethany Decker
Timmothy Pitzen
Maddy Scott
Cristina Siekavizza
Lisa Irwin
Daniel Lind Lagerlöf
Sky Metalwala
Jonathan Spollen
Timothy MacColl
Guma Aguiar
Vadim Pappe
Tiffany Whitton
Austin Tice
Emma Fillipoff
Sombath Somphone
Zsolt Erőss
Federico Tobares
Maureen Kelly
Marie-José and Allison Benitez
Aidin Bozorgi, Pouya Keivan and Mojta Jarahi
Robert Hoagland
Tiffany Daniels
Carlos Ornelas Puga
Heather Elvis
Billy Rakchongcharoen
Avera Mengistu
William Tyrrell
Tammy Kingery
Daylenn Pua
Lucas Tronche
Asha Kreimer
Charity Aiyedogbon
Logan Schiendelman
Kristal Reisinger
Corrie McKeague
Najeeb Ahmed
Zelim Bakaev
Anastácio Alves
Georgina Gharsallah
Karl-Erivan Haub
Surachai Danwattananusorn
Comment any you think I missed, I’m sure there’s a couple!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_people_who_disappeared
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/time.com/5532711/mysterious-unsolved-disappearances/%3famp=true
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2020.09.25 14:36 VisibleConfusion69 Open Letter to Steve Huffman and the Board of Directors of Reddit, Inc- If you believe in standing up to hate and supporting black lives, you need to act

Open Letter to Steve Huffman and the Board of Directors of Reddit, Inc – If you believe in standing up to hate and supporting black lives, you need to act
Dear Steve,
On June 1, you shared a letter on Reddit’s blog “Remember the Human – Black Lives Matter”. In this letter, you claim “as Snoos, we do not tolerate hate, racism, and violence, and while we have work to do to fight these on our platform, our values are clear.”
As of today, neither you nor any other Reddit admins have shared this letter anywhere on reddit.com. However, the response to this message was swift on Twitter, where you were rightfully labeled as hypocritical based on your long and well-recorded history of defending racism and white supremacy on this site.
Among the many responses was this message from former CEO of Reddit, Ellen Pao.
I am obligated to call you out: You should have shut down the_donald instead of amplifying it and its hate, racism, and violence. So much of what is happening now lies at your feet. You don't get to say BLM when reddit nurtures and monetizes white supremacy and hate all day long
Many others shared links and screenshots of your past statements saying “Open racism and slurs are fine to post on Reddit”.
The problem of Reddit’s leadership supporting and providing a platform for racist users and hateful communities has long been an issue. Nearly six years ago, dozens of subreddits signed the original open letter to the Reddit admins calling for action. While the Reddit admins acknowledged the letter and said it was a high priority to address this issue, extremely little has been done in the intervening years.
On June 5, you shared this update on /Announcements, Upcoming changes to our content policy, our board, and where we’re going from here. In the post, you stated that there is a need for continued adjustments of Reddit’s content policy to address racism and that this remains a priority. These continued statements that you hear us, that this is a priority, or that you are working on it are not enough. It has been five years since your return as CEO and this still remains Reddit’s most glaring problem.
Steve, if you and Reddit genuinely care about the values of standing up to racism and hate, then you need to back it up with real action. As moderators on this website who have dedicated countless hours to keeping this site running, we call on Reddit to take the following steps:
At /AgainstHateSubreddits, we have laid out the many failures of Steve time and again to stand up to white supremacy on this site time and time and time again.
With a website with the impact of Reddit on the broader conversations being held in communities around the world, this website needs real leadership and real action.
We hope that Reddit will not just share empty platitudes — but will take a meaningful stand against hate, and take these recommendations to heart.
This letter is co-signed by more than 200 300 350 430 550 650 800 communities representing well over 200 hundreds of millions of subscribers:
If your subreddit is not listed and would like to sign on, please leave a comment below
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/Asktransgender
/AskWomen
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/awwducational
/babybigcatgifs
/badUIbattles
/BAMEVoicesUK
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/Beautevil/
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/BestOfReports
/BethMidrash/
/BiggerThanYouThought
/biggerthenyouthought/
/BikiniBottomTwitter
/blackhair
/blackladies
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/BlackLightning
/blacklivesmatter
/blackmagicfuckery
/BlackPeopleGifs
/BlackPeopleTwitter
/Blerds
/bodegaboys
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/brakebills
/BritishAirways
/brownbeauty
/BrownPeopleGifs
/BudgetExotics
/buycanadian
/California
/CallMeKevin
/cat
/catan
/CatInTheHatMemes
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2020.09.24 06:28 memesandcommunism LETTER TO REDDIT CEO

Open Letter to Steve Huffman and the Board of Directors of Reddit, Inc– If you believe in standing up to hate and supporting black lives, you need to act
Open Letter to Steve Huffman and the Board of Directors of Reddit, Inc – If you believe in standing up to hate and supporting black lives, you need to act
Dear Steve,
On June 1, you shared a letter on Reddit’s blog “Remember the Human – Black Lives Matter”. In this letter, you claim “as Snoos, we do not tolerate hate, racism, and violence, and while we have work to do to fight these on our platform, our values are clear.”
As of today, neither you nor any other Reddit admins have shared this letter anywhere on reddit.com. However, the response to this message was swift on Twitter, where you were rightfully labeled as hypocritical based on your long and well-recorded history of defending racism and white supremacy on this site.
Among the many responses was this message from former CEO of Reddit, Ellen Pao.
I am obligated to call you out: You should have shut down the_donald instead of amplifying it and its hate, racism, and violence. So much of what is happening now lies at your feet. You don't get to say BLM when reddit nurtures and monetizes white supremacy and hate all day long
Many others shared links and screenshots of your past statements saying “Open racism and slurs are fine to post on Reddit”.
The problem of Reddit’s leadership supporting and providing a platform for racist users and hateful communities has long been an issue. Nearly six years ago, dozens of subreddits signed the original open letter to the Reddit admins calling for action. While the Reddit admins acknowledged the letter and said it was a high priority to address this issue, extremely little has been done in the intervening years.
On June 5, you shared this update on /Announcements, Upcoming changes to our content policy, our board, and where we’re going from here. In the post, you stated that there is a need for continued adjustments of Reddit’s content policy to address racism and that this remains a priority. These continued statements that you hear us, that this is a priority, or that you are working on it are not enough. It has been five years since your return as CEO and this still remains Reddit’s most glaring problem.
Steve, if you and Reddit genuinely care about the values of standing up to racism and hate, then you need to back it up with real action. As moderators on this website who have dedicated countless hours to keeping this site running, we call on Reddit to take the following steps:
At /AgainstHateSubreddits, we have laid out the many failures of Steve time and again to stand up to white supremacy on this site time and time and time again.
With a website with the impact of Reddit on the broader conversations being held in communities around the world, this website needs real leadership and real action.
We hope that Reddit will not just share empty platitudes — but will take a meaningful stand against hate, and take these recommendations to heart.
This letter is co-signed by more than 200 300 350 430 550 650 800 communities representing well over 200 hundreds of millions of subscribers:
If your subreddit is not listed and would like to sign on, please leave a comment below
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2020.09.17 16:59 koine_lingua Response to "If you are a smug Democrat or leftist coming here to see how 'stupid' we are..." on /r/Republican

So I'm actually kind of uncertain about the rules for posting here. I know the actual rule section states that "unless you identify as Republican that you refrain from commenting "; though I feel like from the time I've spent here, I haven't seen this upheld very often.
Maybe my post will be removed, as I'm unambiguously not a Republican, and am pretty clearly left-leaning in most of my views. I figure, though, that since your post is explicitly directed at left-leaning individuals, and since a number of commenters here are inviting them to respond, that it might be considered a bit of a one-off exception.
Just to be clear on a few things: I wouldn't consider myself smug, nor do I come here with any notions about how "stupid" the posters here are — though (like other subreddits representing other political perspectives) I do recognize this as a partisan subreddit, where I think views are often expressed far too carelessly and hostilely.
I'm not a centrist, even if I don't consider my political beliefs to be the most important type of beliefs that I hold as a person, and even though I put great emphasis on finding common ground when it comes to dialogue.
On one last note, I don't think much productive discussion is usually had around these kinds of "gotcha" posts. The main type of argument that this post seems to be centered around is tu quoque, or whataboutism; and I think that this style usually just drags both sides down, and comes dangerously close to the view that two wrongs make a right.
So the style of this post presents hyphenated claims that have presumably been expressed by some Democrats/leftists, followed by a critical response in bold. I'll quote that format as is, and then comment on each item.
  • Trump is trying to encourage peace in the world. He's making moves to end the wars we are in.
Democrats have brought the violence here to our streets. They are failing to condemn it and normalizing the idea that even more will happen if they don't get what they want.
Ideologically/philosophically, I'm a bit more of a rigid pacifist than most; so you won't see me condoning violence. You'll see how a number of my responses here are influenced by this.
In terms of foreign policy and militarism: Trump's stated views, and a number of his actions, indeed tend toward the non-interventionist direction, which is commendable. One question here, though, is whether there's a sort of inevitability to the "war machine," as it relates to the assertion of American power and in the administration's actions in relation to inherited conflicts; and I think this is part of what leads some commentators to speak in terms of some contradictions here. For example, this short piece in Foreign Policy begins by stating
On matters of war and peace, U.S. President Donald Trump says what he means but rarely does what he says; the result has been his administration’s contradictory combination of hawkish militarism and strategic retrenchment. Alongside Trump’s overt militarism—demonstrated in practice by the expansion of troop deployments and airstrikes in the wars he inherited—he has, paradoxically, repeated a rhetorical preference for reducing certain overseas military commitments, both deployments and wars.
(I'll leave to others to determine whether all the assessments in the full article that's quoted here are fair or not. I quote it more so just to showcase more complex views of this than out of blanket agreement. Also, it was written in 2019, and as such obviously doesn't take into account recent peace deals.)
Turning to the domestic situation: I still think that the overwhelming trend is for people on all sides to make a substantive distinction between committed political protesters and opportunistic rioters — certainly including Joe Biden. That being said, the symbiotic (or maybe parasitic?) relationship between political protest and rioting and destruction has always been a super thorny issue — prominent during the civil rights protests, for example, and something that those like Martin Luther King, Jr. famously struggled with.
But yes, again, as someone who leans pretty firmly in a pacifist direction, I'm uncomfortable with normalizing violence, even if some might characterize it as an "inevitable" byproduct of profound political and social change.
  • You tell us Black Lives Matter is just about better police treatment of black people.
Trump doesn't control the police, so why were people trying to storm the White House?
Along with some of what I said in my previous comments, storming the White House is silly and won't accomplish anything, but isn't necessarily contradictory to the larger aims of Black Lives Matter in terms of reducing racial discrimination. (Nor do I think that those more misplaced actions should be taken to be representative of Black Lives Matter supporters as a whole.)
And not by way of justification, but by way of explanation, the President — any President — will always be a figurehead, real and symbolic, for larger political and social views. (And on another note, while the Trump administration indeed doesn't control police, the issue of law enforcement funding is indeed a federal issue, over which Trump and Biden obviously have some differing views.)
  • It's just about "unfair treatment".
Why do you all ignore the ACTUAL justice reform that Trump signed?
First and foremost, justice reform isn't just about one thing. Also, for what it's worth, the First Step Act is almost certainly the measure supported by the Trump administration that has the greatest amount of bipartisan support, and passed 87-12 in the Senate.
We should probably be careful about overstating the amount of reforms initiated by the Trump administration, though. In the section on justice reform on the official site for Trump accomplishments, for example, this seems to center almost exclusively on the First Step Act. (Also, just on a more historical note, the First Step Act has its roots in the 2015 Sentencing Reform and Corrections Act. That's not to downplay its significance, but to give a bit more context about its origins.)
  • You think we care nothing about people's lives.
But you don't say anything about states that passed bills making it legal to abort a child literally as it's being born.
I think it'd be silly to think that Republicans and others don't care about people's lives. More generally speaking, I think that both strongly-held pro-choice beliefs and pro-life beliefs both come from concern for people's lives; and/or what might best be described as moral intuitions — sometimes at the expense of rational justification and argument.
That being said, I actually don't know anything about (what I assume) is the debate over "partial-birth abortion," so I won't say anything else about this item.
  • You think we are selfish for wanting to go to church.
How many crowded funerals did George Floyd get, again?
I'd honestly think that the vast majority of criticism here is aimed specifically at church-going that pretty flagrantly refuses to practice social distancing. But yes, I think improper social distancing should be condemned no matter where it takes place. It really, really sucks to be where we are, especially when it comes to our inability to grieve and be with people.
  • You chose Biden and try to sell him as a reasonable centrist.
We know that he may have been that 20 years ago, but he's changed his agenda to be far more "progressive."
I'm not someone who's necessarily inclined to apologize for a more substantive shift to the left. That being said, it remains to be seen how much of Biden's rhetoric here is simply more... opportunistic, in terms of appealing to a wider, younger base that leans far more progressive, whereas he'd be aware that there's little he could really do in terms of more progressive measures actually passing in the Senate.
  • You tell us we're "selfish, greedy bastards."
Republicans give more than Democrats do to charity, and do so at all levels of income.
Some may say that, but I’d never make such a statement.
That Republicans are more charitable than Democrats is a well established fact; and there's no excuse for that — we have to do better. Maybe taking a closer look to try to found out exactly why this is the case can yield some interesting insights, though. (As it stands, I know virtually nothing about that.)
  • You say that Trump is going to have roaming bands of Nazi brownshirts on the streets terrorizing people.
You are now gathering to harass diners trying to eat meals outside...demanding they raise their fists, political figures trying to have dinner are being accosted, conservative journalists have had to move from their homes, you are shouting death threats outside the Senate Majority leader's house and now BLM apparently has a group targeting racist "citizens" to show up at their homes...
Again, as someone fairly committed to non-violence, you won't see me defend these more extreme actions. I do think, though, that at the same time that there are those who opportunistically hijack this movement for more anarchistic or radical purposes, there are a number of people on the other side who also over-eager to use moments like these to make radical political and social statements of their own. (I'll pick this back up in the section about armed protestors.)
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Part 2
  • You say that WE are "in a cult".
You have most major media giving you talking points that you agree with and you discuss how you've had to cut actual family and friends out of your life because they like "Mango Mussolini".
If my takeaway from the point about charity is that we Democrats/etc. have to do better, the takeaway from this one is is that we all have to do better. We especially need to work on not allowing ourselves to by riled up by media commentators — along with being more critical when some of their same sensationalism can spill over into the non-commentary section, too.
As for relationships with friends and family: I struggle with this in my personal life, too. Specifically, while I have an iron-clad policy to never initiate a political conversation or anything with my father, he sends me very sensationalist media and videos unsolicited all the time; and when I try to engage in some of the most respectful conversation about some of these things, he has a tendency to lose his temper very quickly. I know some struggle with the opposite problem.
  • You say that you are the ones who love minorities.
The vitriol that you express towards any member of a minority group that champions conservative beliefs is testimony that you do not.
I think this is one of the weaker responses in your post. It's easy to distinguish larger concern for a populace's well-being from political differences with individual minorities, without thinking the latter entails the former. But yes, occasionally, the idea that minorities can "vote against their own interests" (etc.) can be expressed silly and insensitive ways that have racist connotations — see Biden's "you ain’t black" comment.
  • You say that taking our kids to church is child abuse because they are impressionable.
But when kids are taken to riots by antifa parents and tear gas is deployed, it's the cops' fault for endangering the kids.
I'd imagine the view that taking kids to church s child abuse is fairly radical and uncommon. I'd imagine taking your kids to an Antifa rally is similarly radical and uncommon. I think focusing on these rare events creates more heat than light.
  • You say that you love America.
You voted for a dude that wanted it fundamentally transformed...you say that "it was never great" and some of you are openly wanting a socialist state and you are burning American flags in the streets now.
I think that "fundamentally transformed" can easily be taken more charitably. The Constitution and other legal fundamentals represent a certain set of principles that can't be abandoned; but it also allows for a wide range of views and policies re: how America should function politically and socially.
I’m aware that many have strongly held views about our "national" moral failures. And related to ths, one time, my dad expressed some very strong and disturbing views about Colin Kaepernick and his original protest. I tried to explain that I don't think his was a statement of anti-Americanism, but a provocative challenge to perceptions of the "America" of unbridled optimism, instead calling attention to those who have continually experienced America in a different, painful way (and who obviously looked forward to a day where they didn't have this experience).
  • Teachers are concerned that "conservative parents" might overhear the lessons they are teaching our kids.
You think they have a right to be scared of the parents who are paying their salaries.
I honestly have very little idea of what this is in reference to, so I'll skip this one. (Though I think it also risks conflating "some teachers" with "all teachers.")
  • You snidely said, "All buildings matter" on 9/11.
BLM Riots Are Officially the Most Costly Man made Damage to American Property in History
“All buildings matter” is silly statement basically expressing whataboutism — trying to critique a perceived disproportionate focus on 9/11 by comparing it to anti-BLM sentiment, which presumably is premising on pushing back on (what's perceived to be) a disproportionate focus on a relatively small number of lives.
  • You think you are the ones who understand civics.
You still insist that Hillary really won the 2016 election.
Maybe there's a (small) movement of people who think Clinton really won the electoral vote; but so far as it goes for most people, this obviously comes down to different philosophical views about the role of the electoral college vs. popular vote in determining the President.
  • You used to deny being socialists.
Now you often try to make self-posts here asking us, "What's wrong with having socialism?"
I won't say too much about this one. Somehow, though, I imagine that most of these aren't calls for "full-blown" socialism, but attempts to establish some common ground re: the necessity of a number of programs and initiatives of social welfare.
  • You think that kids making MAGA videos is wrong and exploitative.
But at the same age it's okay for other kids to do dancing in drag at strip clubs.
This is definitely one of the most bizarre and seemingly absurd items here. I can't imagine how small the number of people is that thinks it's okay for kids to be dancing in drag at strop club. But yes, I think that almost no one under the age of 14 or so is capable of grasping the nuance of most political debates (though I suppose that applies far beyond age 14), and that any media paying attention to this is sensationalism by very definition.
  • You demand that subreddits that seem to encourage violence and are conservative be "shut down".
You defend subreddits that advocate violence from the side that is currently PERPETRATING violence in the streets.
I've honestly never followed a lot of the controversy here, so I don't have anything to say on this. Again, though, as someone bit more inclined toward pacifism than most, I'd imagine this is an area that we have to do better on.
  • You complained when re open protests had armed people at them.
A member of a black militia actually opened fire accidentally at a BLM protest and shot three comrades in Louisville. We never hear about it.
In tandem with what I said in my previous comment, I have more blanket opposition toward weapons altogether. At the same time, I still support concealed carry, and would prefer to see much less open carry here — and I think we'd see much less violence here.
  • You think we're poorly informed due to the terrible media we consume.
You still don't know the true story of what happened to the Covington kids in DC and you still want Nick Sandmann to suffer for that hate-smirk.
I do think that our choice of media — particularly its emphasis on opinion/commentary — has a profound and negative effect on political thought, and especially dialogue. As for me personally, at the time of the Covington incident, I spent a great deal of time writing an objective account of events.
  • You think that Russia somehow nefariously influenced the last election via social media.
But you never question who might be behind your favorite left-wing social media sites and posts.
With the caveat that I haven't spent a lot of time researching this issue Russian state influence on social media here, my understanding was that this wasn't exactly a conspiracy theory, and more solidly established. Whatever the case, though, I think that something like this should be a concern to both sides of the political aisle, less than an opportunity to engage in whataboutism.
  • Trump has increased troop pay, improved military readiness, invested in support and worked for REAL reform for a VA long beleaguered by problems.
You tried to float the idea that Trump hates the troops.
My understanding (having not spent a ton of time focusing on issues like this in particular) is that the ideas of a reduced military readiness, etc., could be misleading at best.
As for Trump's personal attitude toward those in the military: one major thing I've learned from having spent extensive time critically analyzing the way we form and maintain beliefs is that way some of the ways our different views and opinions relate to each other can be complicated and perplexing. They can even be contradictory. It's certainly possible that Trump can both have respect for the military and service members as a whole, while at same time also harboring more cynical sentiments, too. (The same goes for his purported views about evangelical Christians, etc.)
  • You said it was grossly offensive, horrible, awful and racist to blame the virus on China.
But every day you slog on trying to blame the virus on Trump.
I think "responsibility" for COVID is spread out a lot more diffusely than some think, even domestically. But at the same time I think Trump's is a calculated deflection.
  • You complain at how the virus is decimating the economy.
But you don't care that the House won't get together with the Senate to cooperate on a Covid relief bill.
I wouldn’t have thought of the original claim as an idiosyncratically Democratic view. I also haven’t followed debate/analysis of the congressional talks about the relief bills, so I have nothing of value to add on that. I'll only say that obstructionism is in many ways the MO of the legislative branch as whole, and I think usually both sides end up making each other look bad, even if one could be said to be acting in more “good faith” than the other.
Hit character limit again; a little more below.
Part 3
  • You think it's too dangerous to vote in person.
But you think these protests just have to happen because the cause is too important.
I think this one has some slight nuance that I can't get fully into due to running out of character space. As a whole, though, if people believe this, I can't see it as anything other than hypocrisy. But again, I think it'd be silly to use that as the basis for insisting on one and not the other.
  • You think that white people are clueless and pretty racist and generally kinda bad and responsible for most of the suffering in the world.
But you want us to adopt the Nordic model of healthcare.
I think this is another of the weaker responses. I think very few of those (white persons) emphasizing the role of systemic racism are unaware that most governments officials — even ones they support — are, well, white. And I think it's silly to accuse them of hypocrisy in this. (I guess I just think "[y]ou think white people are clueless and pretty racist" is a pretty ridiculous characterization in the first place.)
  • You are LGBTQ+ - supportive!
... but when 45% of gay men say that they are backing Trump...SUDDENLY they are "immoral."
I feel much the same way about this comment as I do about your previous one about minority Trump supporters. I'd imagine a number of people were surprised at those poll results (on the dating app Hornet); but I don't think their surprise — and/or dismay — would have anything whatsoever to do with thinking that they were now immoral for being gay.
  • You've spent years blaming anti-vaxx on "the right."
But when Biden and Harris suggested that they wouldn't trust a Covid 19 vaccine because Trump is President, you were silent. They lied, people died?
I haven't really formed an opinion about this yet. For context, though, this Axos article quoting Biden's statement in full reads as follows:
“Let me be clear: I trust vaccines, I trust scientists, but I don’t trust Donald Trump,” Biden said. He then called on Trump to answer the following three questions, and said the American people should not have confidence if the president can't answer them:
"What criteria will be used to ensure that a vaccine meets the scientific standard of safety and effectiveness?"
"If the administration greenlights a vaccine, who will validate that the decision was driven by science rather than politics? What group of scientists will that be?"
"How can we be sure that the distribution of the vaccine will take place safely, cost-free and without a hint of favoritism?"
(End Biden quote.)
  • You keep insisting that the USA is the worst nation at dealing with Covid...
Per population, seven other countries have done "worse"...they are Belgium, the UK, Spain, Peru, Italy, Sweden and Chile.
If someone's misrepresented the statistics here, they should correct their view. On the other hand, I don't think the battle for "least worst" is particularly glorious one.
  • You seem to oppose any measure that would make our vote more secure and less prone to fraud. You insist that fraud doesn't happen.
But you are yelling that somehow Republicans are going to steal the election via some nebulous voter fraud.
I think both Democrats and Republicans have an interest in election security, but differing views on how to go about this — some more self-interested than others. I don't think there's a blanket denial that there's actually no election fraud whatsoever; just push-back against sensationalism about its prevalence. (I think anyone who thinks that there are millions of fraudulent votes is clearly engaging in a baseless conspiracy theory. I'd be surprised if there were more than 1,000 instances in any national election.)
But yes, by the same token, Democrats can also engage in this kind of hyperbole/hysteria about massive Russian-influenced voter fraud or whatever.
  • You think that our only objections to Obama were mustard and that tan suit. And only because we are racist.
IRS scandal, unconstitutional DACA, health reform disaster, Fast and Furious, disappearing stimulus money, spying on journalists and persecuting Fox, Iran pallets of cash, incoherent Middle East policy...to name a few...
I think we all need to be a lot more critical of the politicians we support, even if it's inconvenient or uncomfortable. I think a number of those are perfectly valid reasons for criticizing things that took place during the Obama administration — of course bearing in mind that it's not always direct Obama appointees, etc., who bear the brunt of responsibility for these scandals. (The same goes for the Trump administration, or any other one.) I think Trump of all people could/should admit that not everything that takes place in the course of an administration is the responsibility/fault of the administration.
  • You suddenly think you need guns because Trump is "worse than Hitler" and you might need to protect yourself from the government.
You are going to vote for a man who just tweeted that he's going to take the guns.
I'm assuming this is the tweet in question:
Weapons of war have no place in our communities.
We need to ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.
This coheres with the stated policy on the official Biden policy site:
Ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. Federal law prevents hunters from hunting migratory game birds with more than three shells in their shotgun. That means our federal law does more to protect ducks than children. It’s wrong. Joe Biden will enact legislation to once again ban assault weapons. This time, the bans will be designed based on lessons learned from the 1994 bans. For example, the ban on assault weapons will be designed to prevent manufacturers from circumventing the law by making minor changes that don’t limit the weapon’s lethality. While working to pass this legislation, Biden will also use his executive authority to ban the importation of assault weapons.
I'm sure opinions range on whether this is a good thing or not; but calling this "taking your guns" is doubly inaccurate, in that 1) it doesn't suggest anything about taking these existing weapons from their currents owners, and 2) it seems to suggest a blanket ban on "guns" in general.
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2020.09.01 12:54 pineapplecheers Some Statistics on Islam in the Western World.

Some Statistics on Islam in the Western World.
Note: These are only the stats on Islam in the west, the stats on Islam in the Muslim majority world are much more depressing.
UK
  1. US Diplomatic Cables: One-Third of British Muslim students support killing for Islam.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/WikiLeaks-1-3-British-Muslim-students-killing-Islam-40-want-Sharia-law.html
  1. Britain’s Ministry of Defence: More British Muslims have Fought for ISIS than having Served in the British Armed Forces.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/08/21/islamic-state-americans-british/14384045/
  1. NOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-british-muslims-put-islam-first/
  1. NOP Research: 62% of British Muslims do not believe in the protection of free speech.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
  1. ICM Mirror 2016: 2 in 3 Muslims in Britain Would not Report Terror Plot to Police.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/659913/two-in-three-British-Muslims-would-NOT-give-police-terror-tip-offs
  1. ICM Mirror 2015: 1.5 Million British Muslims support the Islamic State, about half the total population.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/muslim-leader-isis-supporting-brits-disenfranchised-6018357
  1. NOP Research: 78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
  1. AlJazeera Poll: 40% of UK Muslims want Sharia.
https://www.aljazeera.com/archive/2006/02/20084915451911371.html
  1. 25% of UK mosques have literature calling for the beheading of lapsed Muslims, ordering women to remain Indoors, and forbidding interfaith marriages.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lessons-in-hate-found-at-leading-mosques-wzbwdtb2g0n?wgu=270525_16644_15959047563588_48638ee643&wgexpiry=1603680756&utm_source=planit&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_content=4551
  1. Gallup: Zero percent of UK Muslims think homosexuality is morally acceptable.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality
  1. Policy Exchange 2016: Half of British Muslims would not go to cops if they knew someone with ISIS links.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2308529/half-british-muslims-would-not-report-is-supporters/
NETHERLANDS
  1. Forum Multicultural Institute: 80% of young Dutch Muslims see nothing wrong with Holy War against non-believers.
Most verbalized support for pro-Islamic State fighters.
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2014/11/young-dutch-turks-radical-views-worry-mps-call-for-more-research/
SWEDEN
  1. Koopmans 2018: 52% of Sweden Muslims believe that Sharia is more important than Swedish law.
https://www.svd.se/radikal-islamism-drabbar-alla
  1. AHA Foundation: Six out of ten mosques in Sweden gave women advice about how to deal with spousal abuse and polygamy that contradicted Swedish law.
Six out of the ten mosques visited by the women, who had also claimed that their husbands had multiple wives, told them that they should nevertheless agree to have sex with their husbands even if they didn’t want to.
Six of the mosques also advised the women against reporting spousal abuse to the police.
https://www.theahafoundation.org/six-out-of-ten-mosques-in-sweden-gave-women-advice-about-how-to-deal-with-spousal-abuse-and-polygamy-that-contradicted-swedish-law-a-media-investigation-has-revealed/
GERMANY
  1. Die Welt 2012: 46% of Muslims in Germany hope there will eventually be more Muslims than Christians in Germany.
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article108659406/Tuerkische-Migranten-hoffen-auf-muslimische-Mehrheit.html
FRANCE
  1. 46% of French Muslims believe Sharia law should be applied in country.
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/1568920086-poll-46-of-french-muslims-believe-sharia-law-should-be-applied-in-country
AUSTRIA
  1. FPO 2014: 43% of Islamic teachers in Austria openly advocate Sharia law over democracy.
http://rt.com/news/208387-austria-islam-kindergarten-muslim/
DENMARK
  1. Integration Barometer 2018: 27% of young migrants in Denmark say Islamic law should override Danish law.
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201803151062553576-denmark-copenhagen-sharia/
  1. Danish Justice Ministry 2020: 76% of Muslims want criticism of Islam criminalized in Denmark.
https://sputniknews.com/amp/europe/202005041079186984-majority-of-danish-muslims-wish-to-make-criticising-islam-illegal-minister-says-integrate-or-leave/
  1. Jyllands-Posten: 77% of Muslims in Denmark think that the Quran must be applied fully in the Danish society.
https://jyllands-posten.dk/indland/ECE8103969/Danske-muslimer-g%C3%A5r-mere-op-i-b%C3%B8n-t%C3%B8rkl%C3%A6der-og-Koranen/
USA
  1. CSP: 51% of US Muslims want Sharia.
https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/
  1. Pew Research: 72% of Muslim Americans support the proposal to build a mosque and Islamic community center near Ground Zero, the site of the 9/11 attacks on New York.
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/08/30/Most-US-Muslims-back-Ground-Zero-mosque/54511314737569/
  1. American Mosques: Correlation Between Sharia Adherence and Dogma Calling for Violence Against Non-Believers.
51% have texts on site rated as severely advocating violence.
30% have texts rated as moderately advocating violence.
In 84.5% of the mosques, the Imam recommends studying violence-positive texts.
http://www.meforum.org/2931/american-mosques
CANADA
  1. MacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada.
https://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good-news-and-some-worrying-results-in-new-study-of-muslim-public-opinion-in-canada/
  1. Association for Canadian Studies: 42% of Muslims in Canada believe that Islam is irreconcilable with Western society.
https://vancouversun.com/news/staff-blogs/most-canadians-believe-west-and-islam-irreconcileable-poll
OVERALL in Europe
  1. WZB: 65% of Muslims in Europe Want Islamic Sharia Law in Their European Host Countries.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4092/europe-islamic-fundamentalism
WORLDWIDE
  1. World Bank: ISIS Recruits are Better Educated than their Average Countrymen.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/06/isil-recruits-better-educated-than-their-average-countryman-worl/
  1. INSS: 99.5% of all Suicide Attacks in 2015 were Motivated by Islam.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/450-of-452-suicide-attacks-in-2015-were-by-muslim-extremists-study-shows/
  1. The Freethought Report 2013: There are now 13 countries in the world where the state can execute you for being an atheist. Every single one is officially Islamic.
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/atheists-face-death-in-13-countries-global-discrimination-study-220495-2013-12-12
  1. There are 11 places in the world where homosexuals are legally sentenced to death. Every single one is officially Islamic.
https://www.gaytimes.co.uk/life/here-are-the-11-countries-where-being-gay-is-punishable-by-death/
  1. There are 9 places in the world that still have stoning as a form of legal punishment. Every single one is officially Islamic.
Stoning is a legal punishment for adultery in Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, the United Arab Emirates, and Yemen.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/special-report-the-punishment-was-death-by-stoning-the-crime-having-a-mobile-phone-8846585.html
  1. Pew Research Centre: The Majority of Muslims worldwide favor Sharia.
84% of South Asian Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
77% of Southeast Asian Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
74% of Middle Eastern and North African Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
64% of Sub Saharan African Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
Primary Source - Pew Research Centre - The Worlds Muslims: Religion, Politics, and Society.
https://layman.org/survey-shows-majority-of-muslims-in-favor-of-sharia/
  1. Pew Research: The Majority of Muslims worldwide believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
85% of the Muslims worldwide believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
93% of the Muslims in Southeast Asia believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
88% of the Muslims in South Asia believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
87% of the Muslims in Middle East/North Africa believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
Primary Source - Pew Research Centre - The Worlds Muslims: Religion, Politics and Society.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/05/what-muslims-around-the-world-think-about-womens-rights-in-charts/275450/
  1. Worldwide Trends on Honor Killings:
91% of the Honor killings, worldwide, are perpetrated by Muslims.
96% of the Honor killings in Europe are perpetrated by Muslims.
84% of the Honor killings in North America are perpetrated by Muslims.
https://www.meforum.org/2646/worldwide-trends-in-honor-killings
Edit: An article putting together all the data and statistics provided above - The Myth of Tiny Radical Muslim Minority:
https://link.medium.com/3hxCrNNY3ab
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2020.09.01 04:35 pineapplecheers Some Statistics on Islam in the Western World.

Note: These are only the stats on Islam in the west, the stats on Islam in the Muslim majority world are much more depressing.
UK
  1. US Diplomatic Cables: One-Third of British Muslim students support killing for Islam.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/WikiLeaks-1-3-British-Muslim-students-killing-Islam-40-want-Sharia-law.html
  1. Britain’s Ministry of Defence: More British Muslims have Fought for ISIS than having Served in the British Armed Forces.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/08/21/islamic-state-americans-british/14384045/
  1. NOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-british-muslims-put-islam-first/
  1. NOP Research: 62% of British Muslims do not believe in the protection of free speech.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
  1. ICM Mirror 2016: 2 in 3 Muslims in Britain Would not Report Terror Plot to Police.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/659913/two-in-three-British-Muslims-would-NOT-give-police-terror-tip-offs
  1. ICM Mirror 2015: 1.5 Million British Muslims support the Islamic State, about half the total population.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/muslim-leader-isis-supporting-brits-disenfranchised-6018357
  1. NOP Research: 78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
  1. AlJazeera Poll: 40% of UK Muslims want Sharia.
https://www.aljazeera.com/archive/2006/02/20084915451911371.html
  1. 25% of UK mosques have literature calling for the beheading of lapsed Muslims, ordering women to remain Indoors, and forbidding interfaith marriages.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lessons-in-hate-found-at-leading-mosques-wzbwdtb2g0n?wgu=270525_16644_15959047563588_48638ee643&wgexpiry=1603680756&utm_source=planit&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_content=4551
  1. Gallup: Zero percent of UK Muslims think homosexuality is morally acceptable.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality
  1. Policy Exchange 2016: Half of British Muslims would not go to cops if they knew someone with ISIS links.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2308529/half-british-muslims-would-not-report-is-supporters/
NETHERLANDS
  1. Forum Multicultural Institute: 80% of young Dutch Muslims see nothing wrong with Holy War against non-believers.
Most verbalized support for pro-Islamic State fighters.
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2014/11/young-dutch-turks-radical-views-worry-mps-call-for-more-research/
SWEDEN
  1. Koopmans 2018: 52% of Sweden Muslims believe that Sharia is more important than Swedish law.
https://www.svd.se/radikal-islamism-drabbar-alla
  1. AHA Foundation: Six out of ten mosques in Sweden gave women advice about how to deal with spousal abuse and polygamy that contradicted Swedish law.
Six out of the ten mosques visited by the women, who had also claimed that their husbands had multiple wives, told them that they should nevertheless agree to have sex with their husbands even if they didn’t want to.
Six of the mosques also advised the women against reporting spousal abuse to the police.
https://www.theahafoundation.org/six-out-of-ten-mosques-in-sweden-gave-women-advice-about-how-to-deal-with-spousal-abuse-and-polygamy-that-contradicted-swedish-law-a-media-investigation-has-revealed/
GERMANY
  1. Die Welt 2012: 46% of Muslims in Germany hope there will eventually be more Muslims than Christians in Germany.
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article108659406/Tuerkische-Migranten-hoffen-auf-muslimische-Mehrheit.html
FRANCE
  1. IFOP: 46% of French Muslims believe Sharia law should be applied in country.
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/1568920086-poll-46-of-french-muslims-believe-sharia-law-should-be-applied-in-country
AUSTRIA
  1. FPO 2014: 43% of Islamic teachers in Austria openly advocate Sharia law over democracy.
http://rt.com/news/208387-austria-islam-kindergarten-muslim/
DENMARK
  1. Integration Barometer 2018: 27% of young migrants in Denmark say Islamic law should override Danish law.
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201803151062553576-denmark-copenhagen-sharia/
  1. Danish Justice Ministry 2020: 76% of Muslims want criticism of Islam criminalized in Denmark.
https://sputniknews.com/amp/europe/202005041079186984-majority-of-danish-muslims-wish-to-make-criticising-islam-illegal-minister-says-integrate-or-leave/
  1. Jyllands-Posten: 77% of Muslims in Denmark think that the Quran must be applied fully in the Danish society.
https://jyllands-posten.dk/indland/ECE8103969/Danske-muslimer-g%C3%A5r-mere-op-i-b%C3%B8n-t%C3%B8rkl%C3%A6der-og-Koranen/
USA
  1. CSP: 51% of US Muslims want Sharia.
https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/
  1. Pew Research: 72% of Muslim Americans support the proposal to build a mosque and Islamic community center near Ground Zero, the site of the 9/11 attacks on New York.
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/08/30/Most-US-Muslims-back-Ground-Zero-mosque/54511314737569/
  1. American Mosques: Correlation Between Sharia Adherence and Dogma Calling for Violence Against Non-Believers.
51% have texts on site rated as severely advocating violence.
30% have texts rated as moderately advocating violence.
In 84.5% of the mosques, the Imam recommends studying violence-positive texts.
http://www.meforum.org/2931/american-mosques
CANADA
  1. MacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada.
https://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good-news-and-some-worrying-results-in-new-study-of-muslim-public-opinion-in-canada/
  1. Association for Canadian Studies: 42% of Muslims in Canada believe that Islam is irreconcilable with Western society.
https://vancouversun.com/news/staff-blogs/most-canadians-believe-west-and-islam-irreconcileable-poll
OVERALL in Europe
  1. WZB: 65% of Muslims in Europe Want Islamic Sharia Law in Their European Host Countries.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4092/europe-islamic-fundamentalism
WORLDWIDE
  1. World Bank: ISIS Recruits are Better Educated than their Average Countrymen.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/06/isil-recruits-better-educated-than-their-average-countryman-worl/
  1. INSS: 99.5% of all Suicide Attacks in 2015 were Motivated by Islam.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/450-of-452-suicide-attacks-in-2015-were-by-muslim-extremists-study-shows/
  1. The Freethought Report 2013: There are now 13 countries in the world where the state can execute you for being an atheist. Every single one is officially Islamic.
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/atheists-face-death-in-13-countries-global-discrimination-study-220495-2013-12-12
  1. There are 11 places in the world where homosexuals are legally sentenced to death. Every single one is officially Islamic.
https://www.gaytimes.co.uk/life/here-are-the-11-countries-where-being-gay-is-punishable-by-death/
  1. There are 9 places in the world that still have stoning as a form of legal punishment. Every single one is officially Islamic.
Stoning is a legal punishment for adultery in Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, the United Arab Emirates, and Yemen.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/special-report-the-punishment-was-death-by-stoning-the-crime-having-a-mobile-phone-8846585.html
  1. Pew Research Centre: The Majority of Muslims worldwide favor Sharia.
84% of South Asian Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
77% of Southeast Asian Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
74% of Middle Eastern and North African Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
64% of Sub Saharan African Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
Primary Source - Pew Research Centre - The Worlds Muslims: Religion, Politics, and Society.
https://layman.org/survey-shows-majority-of-muslims-in-favor-of-sharia/
  1. Pew Research: The Majority of Muslims worldwide believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
85% of the Muslims worldwide believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
93% of the Muslims in Southeast Asia believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
88% of the Muslims in South Asia believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
87% of the Muslims in Middle East/North Africa believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
Primary Source - Pew Research Centre - The Worlds Muslims: Religion, Politics and Society.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/05/what-muslims-around-the-world-think-about-womens-rights-in-charts/275450/
  1. Worldwide Trends on Honor Killings:
91% of the Honor killings, worldwide, are perpetrated by Muslims.
96% of the Honor killings in Europe are perpetrated by Muslims.
84% of the Honor killings in North America are perpetrated by Muslims.
https://www.meforum.org/2646/worldwide-trends-in-honor-killings
Edit: An article putting together all the data and statistics provided above - The Myth of Tiny Radical Muslim Minority:
https://link.medium.com/3hxCrNNY3ab
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2020.09.01 04:33 pineapplecheers Some Statistics on Islam in the Western World.

Note: These are only the stats on Islam in the west, the stats on Islam in the Muslim majority world are much more depressing.
UK
  1. US Diplomatic Cables: One-Third of British Muslim students support killing for Islam.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/WikiLeaks-1-3-British-Muslim-students-killing-Islam-40-want-Sharia-law.html
  1. Britain’s Ministry of Defence: More British Muslims have Fought for ISIS than having Served in the British Armed Forces.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/08/21/islamic-state-americans-british/14384045/
  1. NOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-british-muslims-put-islam-first/
  1. NOP Research: 62% of British Muslims do not believe in the protection of free speech.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
  1. ICM Mirror 2016: 2 in 3 Muslims in Britain Would not Report Terror Plot to Police.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/659913/two-in-three-British-Muslims-would-NOT-give-police-terror-tip-offs
  1. ICM Mirror 2015: 1.5 Million British Muslims support the Islamic State, about half the total population.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/muslim-leader-isis-supporting-brits-disenfranchised-6018357
  1. NOP Research: 78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
  1. AlJazeera Poll: 40% of UK Muslims want Sharia.
https://www.aljazeera.com/archive/2006/02/20084915451911371.html
  1. 25% of UK mosques have literature calling for the beheading of lapsed Muslims, ordering women to remain Indoors, and forbidding interfaith marriages.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lessons-in-hate-found-at-leading-mosques-wzbwdtb2g0n?wgu=270525_16644_15959047563588_48638ee643&wgexpiry=1603680756&utm_source=planit&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_content=4551
  1. Gallup: Zero percent of UK Muslims think homosexuality is morally acceptable.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality
  1. Policy Exchange 2016: Half of British Muslims would not go to cops if they knew someone with ISIS links.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2308529/half-british-muslims-would-not-report-is-supporters/
NETHERLANDS
  1. Forum Multicultural Institute: 80% of young Dutch Muslims see nothing wrong with Holy War against non-believers.
Most verbalized support for pro-Islamic State fighters.
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2014/11/young-dutch-turks-radical-views-worry-mps-call-for-more-research/
SWEDEN
  1. Koopmans 2018: 52% of Sweden Muslims believe that Sharia is more important than Swedish law.
https://www.svd.se/radikal-islamism-drabbar-alla
  1. AHA Foundation: Six out of ten mosques in Sweden gave women advice about how to deal with spousal abuse and polygamy that contradicted Swedish law.
Six out of the ten mosques visited by the women, who had also claimed that their husbands had multiple wives, told them that they should nevertheless agree to have sex with their husbands even if they didn’t want to.
Six of the mosques also advised the women against reporting spousal abuse to the police.
https://www.theahafoundation.org/six-out-of-ten-mosques-in-sweden-gave-women-advice-about-how-to-deal-with-spousal-abuse-and-polygamy-that-contradicted-swedish-law-a-media-investigation-has-revealed/
GERMANY
  1. Die Welt 2012: 46% of Muslims in Germany hope there will eventually be more Muslims than Christians in Germany.
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article108659406/Tuerkische-Migranten-hoffen-auf-muslimische-Mehrheit.html
AUSTRIA
  1. FPO 2014: 43% of Islamic teachers in Austria openly advocate Sharia law over democracy.
http://rt.com/news/208387-austria-islam-kindergarten-muslim/
DENMARK
  1. Integration Barometer 2018: 27% of young migrants in Denmark say Islamic law should override Danish law.
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201803151062553576-denmark-copenhagen-sharia/
  1. Danish Justice Ministry 2020: 76% of Muslims want criticism of Islam criminalized in Denmark.
https://sputniknews.com/amp/europe/202005041079186984-majority-of-danish-muslims-wish-to-make-criticising-islam-illegal-minister-says-integrate-or-leave/
USA
  1. CSP: 51% of US Muslims want Sharia.
https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/
  1. Pew Research: 72% of Muslim Americans support the proposal to build a mosque and Islamic community center near Ground Zero, the site of the 9/11 attacks on New York.
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/08/30/Most-US-Muslims-back-Ground-Zero-mosque/54511314737569/
  1. American Mosques: Correlation Between Sharia Adherence and Dogma Calling for Violence Against Non-Believers.
51% have texts on site rated as severely advocating violence.
30% have texts rated as moderately advocating violence.
In 84.5% of the mosques, the Imam recommends studying violence-positive texts.
http://www.meforum.org/2931/american-mosques
CANADA
  1. MacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada.
https://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good-news-and-some-worrying-results-in-new-study-of-muslim-public-opinion-in-canada/
OVERALL in Europe
  1. WZB: 65% of Muslims in Europe Want Islamic Sharia Law in Their European Host Countries.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4092/europe-islamic-fundamentalism
WORLDWIDE
  1. World Bank: ISIS Recruits are Better Educated than their Average Countrymen.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/06/isil-recruits-better-educated-than-their-average-countryman-worl/
  1. INSS: 99.5% of all Suicide Attacks in 2015 were Motivated by Islam.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/450-of-452-suicide-attacks-in-2015-were-by-muslim-extremists-study-shows/
  1. The Freethought Report 2013: There are now 13 countries in the world where the state can execute you for being an atheist. Every single one is officially Islamic.
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/atheists-face-death-in-13-countries-global-discrimination-study-220495-2013-12-12
  1. There are 11 places in the world where homosexuals are legally sentenced to death. Every single one is officially Islamic.
https://www.gaytimes.co.uk/life/here-are-the-11-countries-where-being-gay-is-punishable-by-death/
  1. There are 9 places in the world that still have stoning as a form of legal punishment. Every single one is officially Islamic.
Stoning is a legal punishment for adultery in Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, the United Arab Emirates, and Yemen.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/special-report-the-punishment-was-death-by-stoning-the-crime-having-a-mobile-phone-8846585.html
  1. Pew Research Centre: The Majority of Muslims worldwide favor Sharia.
84% of South Asian Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
77% of Southeast Asian Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
74% of Middle Eastern and North African Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
64% of Sub Saharan African Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
Primary Source - Pew Research Centre - The Worlds Muslims: Religion, Politics, and Society.
https://layman.org/survey-shows-majority-of-muslims-in-favor-of-sharia/
7. Pew Research: The Majority of Muslims worldwide believe that wives should always obey their husbands. 
85% of the Muslims worldwide believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
93% of the Muslims in Southeast Asia believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
88% of the Muslims in South Asia believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
87% of the Muslims in Middle East/North Africa believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
Primary Source - Pew Research Centre - The Worlds Muslims: Religion, Politics and Society.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/05/what-muslims-around-the-world-think-about-womens-rights-in-charts/275450/
  1. Worldwide Trends on Honor Killings: 91 percent of honor killings are committed by Muslims worldwide.
https://canadafreepress.com/article/honour-killing-entrenched-in-islam
Edit: An article putting together all the data and statistics provided above - The Myth of Tiny Radical Muslim Minority:
https://link.medium.com/3hxCrNNY3ab
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